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[–] [email protected] 271 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Grandma is not the problem. It’s the ~800 billionaires in the US controlling sizable portions of single-family residences through private equity, artificially controlling market prices for maximum profit per sale. Blackstone alone owns 300,000 residences.

Fun Fact: There are 16 million vacant homes nationwide. That’s 28 vacant homes for every unhoused person.

https://ips-dc.org/report-billionaire-blowback-on-housing/

[–] [email protected] 172 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I've said this before (and caught flak for it) but I think the solution to this is to apply a heavy additional tax to vacant homes (as defined as any home that isn't occupied by a permanent resident for more than 6 months a year), and increase the tax exponentially for each residence beyond the first owned by the same company or individual.

At some point, you make it so expensive to keep unoccupied properties that they're better off letting people live there for free than continuing to let them go unoccupied. Use all of the proceeds from this tax to assist homeless people or build new dense housing developments.

"But Kobold, what about soandso with their summer home?" If you can afford a second home, you can afford to pay a bit more tax on it to benefit the public good.

"But Kobold, a lot of those homes that are vacant are run-down, or are in places nobody actually wants to live!" Doesn't matter. If they're vacant, tax them. Use the money to build dense housing in the places where people do want to live. If the place is too run-down to be occupied, the owner can tear it down and do something else with it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

One issue with the holiday home thing, they tend to be in quite remote places where there are very few job opportunities, because that's where people go on holiday.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (5 children)

If you can afford a second home, you can afford to pay a bit more tax on it to benefit the public good.

This part applies. It's not about directly getting a house for the homeless in this case, it's the fact that they can CLEARLY afford to pay more tax.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

My extended family in Michigan keeps a hunting cabin that they split costs between 5 people on and can still barely make the mortage... Is that clearly able to afford more taxes?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'd sacrifice your family's hunting cabin if it helps house more people. Find a sixth person or something.

It's an edge case that shouldn't hold up societal progress.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The added tax revenue would also make the rural places these vacation home are in more sustainable for regular residents. And probably keep local governments and even small hospitals solvent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

It might even alleviate the financial burdens that are making that situation almost untenable for them now as real estate markets are corrected and added tax revenue gets allocated into public benefits that could reduce the cost of living. They may benefit from the proposal even if tax rates get increased on subsequent properties.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

No, it shouldn't hold up societal progress. But not being aware of how your policies actually affect people is just plain bad. I agree with progressive taxes on multi house ownership, but you also need to understand that will mean people who are less rich than you think losing them, it's not just people that can afford them. And it's not as far an edge case as you think, I believe

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Not really, but it sounds like your family should rather sell that cabin and spend their money on more important things.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Hey you know that activity that you enjoy, that makes the tedium and tests of life a bit more bearable? The one that provides a hub to maintain familial bonds, and adds another source of food that isn't factory farmed or ultra-processed to your diet?

That isn't how you're supposed to spend your money, so stop it."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The key point you're missing, I think, is that the tax would increase exponentially for each additional house owned. The first one could be, say, a 0.5% tax increase, and it could go up from there.

If you're in a position where paying 0.5% extra tax on your hunting cabin split 5 ways will bankrupt you, then I'd argue that it isn't how you're supposed to spend your money. That's "Skip eating out once a year" territory.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I know for the public good this is the right answer but this is not a winning strategy

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Simply exempt small homes. For instance, those with less than 1,600 square feet or so.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

3 houses could be free (1 home, 1 for summer, 1 for winter)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Nah fam you got three homes you can pay up

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If you can afford 3 houses, you can afford the extra tax on 2 or all 3 of them. And if you can't, maybe you don't need that many fucking houses....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The problem that there are many homeless outweighs the problem that somebody wants to have a holiday home. Soliving the homeless problem by not solving the holiday home problem is valid.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

my solution is to destroy all houses, then NO ONE gets a home!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

True equality!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Been shouting this for fucking ages.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (3 children)

So you're saying granny would be fine with a 100% return on her investment at $36 for an offer? No? Shocked I say, shocked.

Granny is part of the problem. Not the biggest part of the pie, but still guilty.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Inflation is a thing that exists. Saying that someone is bad simply because they want to update the value of their property is dumb. Also, let's say granny wants to downisze. Should she sell her home for a value way below market and then be unable to buy a smaller home for herself?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You say this as if Granny doesn't have tea and crumpets with the person who can sell her that tiny house every saturday. If she wants to downsize affordably, she should take it up with her 'Golden Age Bookclub' buddies who own all the other houses in town...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah this is honestly just an incredibly short-sighted and stupid take on the issues. Granny is in the same bucket with the young man in that they are both getting played by billionaires. Being mad at her is an incredible waste of energy compared to campaigning for fair taxes on corporation and billionaires. Anyone with less than 10 million net worth isn't really your enemy. Stay focused on winning the class Warfare and not dividing regular people.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Grandma is not the problem.

You can't go blaming the institutions for the high cost of living when it is very clearly this one anonymous old person who isn't giving this other anonymous young person a sweetheart deal out of misplaced nostalgia.

Fun Fact: There are 16 million vacant homes nationwide.

Okay, but a bunch of them are in the Rust Belt, where de-industrialization eviscerated the economy and caused a mass exodus to the Gulf Coast and the Mountain West in pursuit of lower wage service sector and sales employment.

I suppose you're going to claim that the wholesale restructuring of the manufacturing economy was the fault of a handful of 90s-era Wall Street bankers and Corporate Executives, rather than millions of Boomer-era suburbanites with pocket change in their retirement accounts 40 years ago?

Likely. Fucking. Story. This is just bigotry against the 1% is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

Almost bit the bait lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

By remaining invisible, the billionaires avoid having the finger pointed at them. We only point at each other.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I’ve never subscribed to this generational hatred, as true as it is that the boomers voted for this shit, on account of it’s clearly a deliberate psyop “divide and conquer” campaign. It’s as obvious as the crack epidemic or redlining.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It's hard when you work with a guy like I do. He's 65 and hates absolutely everybody, including his wife, but he's a coward so he's very polite. He requires so much coddling that he spends all day sucking up to everyone for whatever praise he can get then immediately turns around and complains about them. He'll complain about everyone else to the point where they get their breaks and other privileges taken away. Those privileges are also taken from him, giving him more to complain about.

It gets worse, but I'm about to go to bed and don't want to think about that.

That piece of fucking shit. Sorry about the rant. But guys like that ruin everything for everybody.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It seems like that is more of an asshole problem than an age problem

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nah, I'm happy to bag on anyone that benefits from a system and then pulls the ladder up behind them.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Gen X was a higher red percentage this time around, oddly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Guess what that generation bought into and voted for for decades.

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