It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
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So, if there is a feedback loop where if dbzer0 users are ultimately okay with an admin harassing people, then the toxicity can persist? As long as they can convince others with lies then the admin can get away with it? That "tend to" in my quote seems to be doing some real heavy lifting, from my perspective.
You'd prefer that one person decide by fiat what's OK or not? I don't know about you but I find democracy superior to dictatorship, even when nominally "benevolent" .
So, obvious harassment and toxicity needs to be put to a vote for any action to be taken? Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree on that one.
Clearly, it's not "obvious" at all. Again, we anarchists tend to prefer democracy over dictatorship.
I wasn't necessarily referring only to the specific circumstance. I was also pointing out the flaw in the logic of "only democracy".
Again, my point was that a common feedback loop and/or an alignment of a person's toxicity can easily protect someone from justice. Similar to what is happening to the US political parties, particularly the Republican party. Plenty of people align and agree with what is happening and thus it is allowed to continue and even escalate.
As long as someone can paint a better picture and have a following to support then, then a person can get away with seemingly anything at dbzer0. Just gotta get those votes from the people willing and able to participate during the voting period.
What's your superior alternative?
I'm supposed to have a "superior alternative" to point out the issues in a system?
How about just simply take action under some circumstances where it makes sense. Don't let admins/mods/users get away with being toxic. Use logic and reasoning and put aside your own biases to look at a situation more objectively.
I just want these toxic dbzer0 users to leave me alone. Why is that so hard to understand? Do I need to create some formal case and put it to vote on an instance that I've blocked because I want to avoid it and their toxic users all because I can't get away from these people who attack me for a simple disagreement of opinion?
So your suggest is that I just act by fiat against the other mods?
I don't know mate, I feel like your issues would be resolved if you didn't go in random threads and start badmouthing our instance as a whole and then complain the our users try to defend it.
There you go. "badmouthing". "try to defend it." This is it right here. The fact you call that behavior "defending" is appalling and insulting. That there shows precisely my issues with you, the admins, and the instance as a whole. You and your group are willing to lie and twist whatever you need to turn the situation into your favor. As long as you have your followers, you'll get away with it, too.
Anyone who has a reasonable issue is "badmouthing" and the toxic admins who antagonize and escalate are just "trying to defend".
Fuck right off with that.
You literally jumped into this very discussion I was having with someone else. I saw you elsewhere just piping up out of the blue just to shit on our instance, don't try to play the victim here that's you're just minding your own and bad people keep hounding you.
Stop shitstirring if you don't want to be splattered with shit.
Sorry, but thr only one lying and twisting the truth has always been yourself.
There you go again conveniently leaving out key information in order to twist the narrative.
I was not "just piping up out of the blue just to shit on our instance" at all. Not only was it not out of the blue, because it was directly after your own admins were needlessly shitting on me. I also was speaking broadly and vaguely about why I have been growing to fucking hate lemmy, because of asshats like you lying fuckwads who start shit then have the fucking gall to shove the blame on me, until someone from your own instance asked for specifics. Again, this was right after being attacked by your admins. So, I happened to come across a post where you made a claim I was rightfully dubious about. I was not rude about it, yet that somehow gives you the right to escalate and fucking lie and twist the narrative.
Go fuck yourself you narcissistic asswad. You are absolutely incapable of seeing how fucking hypocritical you are. THIS is why I simply disagreed that you are "chill". You are far from it.
Fuck you. Fuck Blaze for pretending to be sympathetic while subversively supporting you and your lies. Fuck @[email protected]. Fuck @[email protected] Fuck your whole instance. Fuck Lemmy entirely. I hope this entire platform crushes you all, you fucked up shitbags.
You're such a chill and lovely individual, no wonder you get so much love! 😘
"We attacked and antagonized you so much that we pushed you to the point of dropping civility. Lol I'm going to do it some more since I can get away with it!"
Go swallow a gallon of molten shit you absolute garbage creature.
With friends like you who needs enemies?
Lol. Disengage.
And there you show that you're also willing to abuse your own instances rules by antagonizing and trying to claim "disengage". You've clearly disengaged all morals anyway. Why even bother with the pretense that you're not a hypocritical smear of shit on a mouldy diaper?
Why not just blocking them?
Because then they can't keep playing the victim.
That would allow them to continue being assholes unabated without anyone defending me. They've already shown themselves to barge in on my comments and posts with lies.
I just just bury my head in the ground and pretend that's not happening?
Blocking is a normal way to avoid interacting with people you don't want to.
Hexbear or lemmygrad users could be talking about you without you seeing it due to defederation, it's not that different
It's significantly different. The people in my own instance and the instances that it federates with all see it. It's directly attached and connected with my post/comment. Anyone who sees my post/comment sees their lies, too.
With defederated instances, it's like x users talking shit about threads users.
The main issue is that I don't want them interacting with me. I have no problems not interacting with them until they start shit.
Why do you care? Or, if you care enough, why not bear the burden?
There's no ideal solution
The ideal situation is for them to leave me alone. Why is that not an option?
It's a forum, people are going to reply when you mention them
Open forums that anyone can use are obviously a conspiracy now. Next up, public conversations are proof people talk to each other to collaborate.
Can you tell me where I mentioned Flatworm/Unruffled in this thread? https://lemmy.world/post/32430859
Did I mention the others from dbzer0, other than the offending user the thread is about, that came in to talk shit about me?
Did I mention Flatworm/Unruffled or Eugene here where they spouted lies and started shit? https://lemmy.world/post/33338615/18389370
Was I really being so rude and mean by saying "That has not been my experience at all" that made it okay for them to treat me like that?
Why are you defending these people for being such assholes?
You were complaining about vote manipulation, Unruffled commented saying they had banned the alts used for vote manipulation.
"complaining" is such a shitty way to describe warning and bringing attention to what is not only explicitly against the ToS of lemmy.world, but widely regarded as a shitty thing to do. Are you intentionally describing it in this way to frame me in a shitty way? I suspect so. Not to mention I was also mentioning their harassment of other users, and then myself when I called out their harassment.
Additionally, Unruffled didn't simply comment "saying they had banned the alts used for vote manipulation", they framed it as it was expected that I would or should have known that and intentionally left that information out. I don't even understand why that information matters to lemmy.world to take action. Why did they event need to make that comment at all and why did they need to phrase that so antagonisticly?
You also didn't even acknowledge the last half of their comment:
What the actual fuck is this shit? What does any of this unhinged attacking have to do with the subject at all? None of this makes any sense. How in any world is that person's behavior have any connection to anything I've done? Why is any of this acceptable from anyone, let alone a fucking admin? How could you or anyone even remotely support this insanity?
Even most important now, why did you completely ignore any of this when you made this comment? You have a facade of being reasonable, but there is no excuse for supporting Unruffled or even bothering to try to explain or excuse them for this nonsense.
If anyone thinks there is any valid reason for that comment, then there was never anything that anyone could say to convince them otherwise.
They probably refer to this post, where you screenshotted one of their comments with a link to it
https://lemmy.world/post/29116020
Also, have you reported that comment to the [email protected] mods? If no, you should, if you have but they haven't acted upon it, than it's between you and the LW mods.
Again, how does that have anything to do with the main post or the and why is any of that excusable? Some random asshole came in with their own nonsense that had nothing to do with the main post, which is what I even said in the comment that Unruffled replied to where they just continued on those entirely off-topic antagonistic accusations.
I won't even bother diving into that thread that you are all using as justification to harass and antagonize me here and around Lemmy, or that it shows there are clearly people who agree with me there. Because, I'll say this again, it has nothing to do with the report and warning of a user that has been banned for the behavior I point out there.
I am utterly baffled that you are even willing to find some way to create a narrative where that is acceptable.
Right now, here in this thread, this is between me and you, and any other shitty person joining into this comment thread to support their needless attacking and harassment.
???
You're literally here in this thread trying to excuse Unruffled's comment there, as well as their continued harassment elsewhere. What the fuck do the LW mods have to do with you supporting them?
You mentioned that thread in an earlier comment.
The recommended way to deal with this kind of situations is to get the comment removed by the mod of the community.
I was responding to this comment you made and outlining that your point was completely off the mark, since I did not mention them.
Did you really not get that? Either you whooshed yourself really hard or you're just also antagonizing me while pretending to be serious. I suspect it's the latter.
Honestly, at this point, you just need to leave me alone, too. No decent or reasonable person would support those dbzer0 anus warts, so you're most likely just trying to antagonize.
You mentioned their instance.
If I go around saying an instance is the opposite of chill and understanding, I expect the admins and mods of that instance to reply to me.
What the fuck are you talking about? Show me where I mentioned dbzer0 in that thread at all.
I was talking about
https://lemmy.world/post/33338615/18389370
If we are talking about https://lemmy.world/post/32430859/18040819 , you reported a dbzer0 user, so it's expected that the reported user's admin would jump in.
Of course we're talking about that. You fucking brought it up.
That gives them justification to start shit about something completely off topic? Even if they had any good point, that is not the time or place.
Let's stop playing this stupid fucking game. Do you or do you not think Unruffled is in the wrong with their behavior?
If you think they are wrong, I am utterly baffled why you're still keeping this going. Otherwise, you need to fuck off.
You and dbzer0 staff had a disagreement about AI in the past: https://lemmy.world/post/29116020/16853508
You report a user doing vote manipulation.
The reported user links to a comment you made in the Fuck_AI community:
Seems on topic to bring that issue up.
Again, if you think it violates the rules of the LW support community, you should report it to the mods so that they take action.
I disagreed about AI, sure. Disagreements happen, not a big deal. The real issue was the fact they were assholes to me about it and making insane claims.
No, not even remotely! What the fuck? That user was digging through people's history to find anything they can try to use to harass them with and resorting to straight up lies to do so. I mentioned that in the fucking post. They even posted a completely unrelated porn image in that community that explicitly forbids it. How in the fuck is any of that justification to start shit?
Holy fucking shit dbzer0 people are absolutely batshit insane.
At this point it's a you vs them question, and interpretation of what happened.
Unless you get another external perspective on it (e.g. LW mods), it's probably going to stay like this.
You're fucking insane if you even slightly think their behavior is okay. It's not a "two sides" situation in any stretch of the imagination. Just leave me alone.
both of you can drop it now. You're both spamming up the report queue.
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Maybe we're not defending we're seeing someone be angry and upset for no reason and asking them to calm down.