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As lawmakers around the world weigh bans of 'forever chemicals,” many manufacturers are pushing back, saying there often is no substitute.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And yet somehow we survived thousands of Years without them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Also back then, we didn't have massive populations. Most of the world struggled to survive. Finding food was a all-day activity. Should we go back to that?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Without the haber process modern civilization could not be sustained. We cannot go back without massive population losses. Dunno about you but I'm not picking which of my friends and family aren't important.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cancer causing materials are not a necessity to support global scale populations.

Also, I frankly wouldn't mind returning to a world where almost half my time was my own and not my employer's.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, I frankly wouldn’t mind returning to a world where almost half my time was my own and not my employer’s.

It still wouldn't actually be your own. You currently work to afford your lifestyle. You'd still work the same amount, probably more, but you certainly wouldn't have your current lifestyle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

You can have that today. You can still forage for food. It is even easier today.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

So, but we don't need cancerous materials to do so. If you missed it, that was the point

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So we lose non-stick pans, how does that make us return to a hunter gatherer society?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe consider for once that these compounds are not only used for pans, but also for other applications, like electronics?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I wasnt aware the laws were targeting electronics. Are we talking all electronics or just some?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

What a wonderfully unrelated to my post comment you've made. Since you are so kind as to make up what you want to argue against, perhaps you won't mind making up the response so those of us on topic can get on with discussing that topic.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am so not understanding all the comments on this post that are literally defending their right to be given cancer by large corporations.

Wtf are the responses to this comment? "No, I like being poisoned for profit!" Jfc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the same stupid bullshit as the 2a nuts. There is no logical reason, they just like a manmade product, which is a great extension of any interesting person :)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

an Argument’s an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the
automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, not everyone is worth arguing with.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We also survived thousands of years without any of the creature comforts our society has taken for granted. Unfortunately, all the scientific advances we've achieved for the betterment of mankind involved these forever chemicals in one way or another.

I'm not saying they're not terrible, but at least some of the voices against these restrictions aren't in bad faith. It just speaks to the importance of finding alternatives, and we have to accept the fact that some things might not be replaceable with biodegradable solutions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I thought we were banning forever chemicals in manufacturing, not science.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

These chemicals made the creature comforts cheaper, not the creature comforts you wish to claim require them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you want to return to a feudal experience, I’m afraid it’s not like your local renaissance faire. What was it actually like?

Well, let’s start with Yersinia Pestis, the little scoundrel..

Antibiotics? Never heard of em.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

None of which require any of the chemicals involved, so...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For large scale manufacturing in the electronics to make them? Sure they do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You like glass? Modern glass? Required.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Oh man, I love you Chema-kills people. You make me feel so intelligent.