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PHOENIX (AP) -- The 2024 presidential election is drawing an unusually robust field of independent, third party and long shot candidates hoping to capitalize on Americans' ambivalence and frustration over a likely rematch between Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Don't vote for a third party. That's just voting for Trump with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I think a lot of people thinking about voting third party are going to need reasons TO vote for someone, not reasons to not vote for the other guy. Telling them “it’s just voting for Trump” isn’t going to convince them.

And no, I’m not planning on voting third party. But finger-wagging won’t convince anyone already looking elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If a Trump presidency doesn't scare the shit out of them at this point, then they were already looking for excuses to support him, and "I want someone to vote FOR" is just a stupid excuse.

Like, I want a gazillion dollars and a private island, but I also don't smear shit on the walls of the public library when I wake up and don't get those things. Anyone who does, just wanted to smear shit on the walls.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Yup. It is basically the same as how Romney and Cheney are "good republicans" because they want all the same shit trump does but want to pretend they are classier than that

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Anyone not terrified of a Republican and/or Trump presidency has a shitton of privilege and needs to fucking check it. Cishet, white and men are prominent demographics for "he won't hurt me too badly" and by the time the redcaps come for those not in lockstep it'll be far, far too late.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't seen Dark Brandon in a while. Like, months.

I vote FOR Dark Brandon. I'll give Biden my vote over Trump. Those are different things, even if the objective measure looks the same.

I'd like to vote for DB and get him.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair to OP, I've seen "Dark Brandon" more as a meme to vex conservatives, used when Biden accomplishes a one of his policies, and particularly when fighting to get student loans forgiven.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This.

Dark Brandon gets policy wins, judges in seats, he moves things. He gets funding for Ukraine.

I haven't seen as much of that.

Israel isn't something I agree as much with him on, but that's not what I was talking about.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In other words lots of people have an incredibly childish attitude about voting and are completely prepared to throw a little tantrum in the voting booth even if it means fascists get to take over the whole federal government. I'm becoming pretty convinced that people like that are just incapable of rational decision making.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

It’s crazy how people view voting. In life we have so many situations where we look at realistic options and choose the best thing, or even the least bad thing, from those options.

But then with voting people feel like making their vote should be like wishing on a birthday cake. It’s totally irrational, as you say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If we don't accept that irrational people exist and do what we can to get their votes, we risk the return of Trump.

But it's way more fun to shout at them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

One can't cater to or court the irrational. We can however stop humoring them and giving them undeserved respect. That might lead more rational people to mistakenly consider them.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, the number one reason to vote lately is to prevent Trump from pissing all over democracy. Even Republicans are joining in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So voting for the uniparty that picked the candidate for you is democracy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We’re not a democracy, we’re a republic.

Not that that’s any better, but there is a difference between the two

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's the common response from shitlibs, 'we need Biden to save democracy'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

We need someone to stand up to Trump and protect our nation from a Tyrant. So far Joe Biden is the only individual with the titanium balls to do that. So yes, he is the only person standing between our Republic and a Christian Fascist Theocracy.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

"That's not a dog, it's a German Shepard."

A republic is a kind of democracy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

We’re not a democracy, we’re a republic.

Things Republicans say when defending voter suppression.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's gonna be republicans making a protest vote. Democrats are in lock step for once

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

And no, I’m not planning on voting third party. But finger-wagging won’t convince anyone already looking elsewhere.

[finger-wagging intensifies]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Telling them "it's just voting for Trump" isn’t going to convince them.

They also use that argument against people who don't show up to vote -- the very same people who might show up for a candidate they want to vote for.

In other words, despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, they might not vote for a two-party candidate anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

There are people who, despite the entirety of human history, fail to take into account that people aren't always rational. In fact, they're deeply offended by the suggestion and become hostile towards anyone who suggests that they should take this into account, even in situations in which the consequences for failing to do so are dire.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Republicans are all for third party candidates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

no, it's not. it's voting against trump by definition.