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[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Journalism is when you leave a few dots unconnected for the reader as a fun little puzzle.

Netanyahu didn't just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas, and has wanted the attack to use as casus belli so he could do some fucked up war crimes of his own. Netanyahu is a far right extremists who has been paying some fucked up laws, like using live ammo on protestors. He's a fascist, plain and simple.

Edit: I'm gonna leave these typos in place, just let it be known I wrote this with sleep still in my eyes.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The few dots you refer to sound like the "speculation part" which I am very thankful is not included in the article. The news itself is disturbing, but your theory sounds very much like conspiracy theory. However I am open to be proved wrong, as I am not that much into israeli politics.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The "funding" was confirmed by him from a past speech. Funding is in quotes because it wasn't all direct funding, and that particular speech was about him signing off on a transfer of funds from someone else to Hamas. But the underlying motivation is still accurate because... that's what he said the reason was. He said he wanted Hamas to have more funding so they would rise in power and keep the people divided.

The rest of it is stuff that can never be proved in favor or against unless you can read minds. However, it seems more than likely if you take into account the wider history of him, his party, and the region.

On the other side of this you have years of massive protests within Israel by Israeli citizens, and ongoing criminal and corruption charges against him and his associates within Israel.

A violent war would help him, and that's not a conspiracy

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It haven't tho, he presented himself in Israel as "mister security" and 7th of October only ruined his ratings to the ground, just look at the opinion polls

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Israeli_legislative_election

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Around half the people in Israel want Netanyahu beheaded. The other half would rather have him shot

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

You mind linking the speech or copying the relevant part? That sounds very intriguing and I'd love to see what wording he used.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Netanyahu didn’t just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas

Can we have a source for that?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thanks. So Israel handed out work permits and "allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas".

That's sounds a bit different from "Netanyahu didn’t just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas, and has wanted the attack to use as casus belli so he could do some fucked up war crimes of his own."

I'm not denying that he's employing a "divide and conquer" strategy, that a lot of his doing is making the conflict worse, that's he's using the opportunity to do a lot of damage etc. But it's not that he funded Hamas because he wanted the attack to happen (at least the article doesn't prove that).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not that he wanted this particular attack to happen (this article doesn't prove that, as you said). It's that he's been allowing Qatari money to flow into Gaza, knowing full well it's Hamas getting it. As for the fact that Netanyahu wanted to do warcrimes... Well just look at what he and his cabinet say.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Funded versus allowed, I oversimplified maybe but to a statesman it amounts to the same thing imo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Netanyahu didn't just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas

Objectively false, you can't dispute that.

Also, even if it was the only distortion, "funded" vs "allowed" mean completely different things, even in that specific context. I'm not being pedantic either; words mean things, especially in such a complex situation.

To be clear, I'm not fully on either side because both Hamas and Israel have done horrible things. But your "oversimplification" is really misinformation and has to be called out as such.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

You can't ever prove that last part. But knowing he had the intelligence and still moved troops away is pretty indicative of a decision that the Israelis in those towns were expendable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's interesting to me that that has to be repeated so often. It's really not a little known fact.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Journalism is when you leave a few dots unconnected for the reader as a fun little puzzle.

I just wanna say, no. Journalism is presenting the objective facts and letting the audience decide for themselves how to react.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It's it really that hard to believe that members of the ruling class would conspire to enact their own will and interest?

History is spotted with blood spilled by consequence of rulers doing exactly this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

That just sounds like the same thing with different wording