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More than one-third of Americans believe Israel is committing genocide, poll shows
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 25 Jan 2024
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Imagine you, your friends and your family get killed and washed away from your land, and 2/3 of US people don't believe it's genocide.
Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn't, and 1/3 said they didn't know. Also, only1/3 of Americans saying this is a genocide isn't great, but it does represent a huge shift in opinion in a short time. Both our political parties support Israel, our news media doesn't cover Palestinians very sympathetically, and our education system tells a very favorable version of Israel's founding (most Americans don't even learn about the Nakba). I don't think criticism of Israel has ever been this mainstream (at least in my lifetime).
That means
I see what you're trying to say, but that's not really true. You could say, "2/3 of people would not say they thought it was a genocide," but that's not the same as saying, "2/3 do not believe it's genocide."
It's a small but important distinction. It's the equivalent of saying, "1/3 of people are religious, 1/3 of people are atheist, and 1/3 of people are agnostic," and then trying to say that means, "2/3 of people don't believe in God," instead of, "2/3 of people aren't religious."
Murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages might have an effect on public perception.
The problem is, before they wemt on that murdering spree, the western world pretty much ignored their plight, or maybe tutted when they chucked a rocket or two over the border. But any kind of "proper" political solution was flatly ignored. It's not a justification, but I have to say that I umderstand why that situation led to a "fuck it, let's just rampage" attitude. And look, they actually have a tonne of eyeballs and attention on their shitty situation (and shitty leaders), so maybe something will come of this. Palestinians are paying an exorbitantly heavy price for it, though.
Sure, but again - if you murder people at a music festival and take hostages, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that terrorists won that one.
Sure, but again, if you indiscriminately kill innocent people in Gaza and destroy the very last university, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that Israel won that one.
Absolutely. Not sure why you would think I don't understand the hatred Israel is getting.
Not sure what Israel won, despite making sure there will be another generation of Palestinian freedom fighters with rather questionable methods.
I wasn't making a statement about you, I just wanted to demonstrate the statement can be made in any way.
I agree, Israel bred the Hamas of tomorrow for sure. But they did win in terms of getting closer to turning Gaza into a settlement.
But you were responding to a actual person, me. So it would have helped if you clarified it wasn't about me - don't you think?
Even that sounds to me like a win for the terrorists - but I can see, people have different view.
It's directed to you. It just makes no statements about you personally, just responding to your opinion. Hope that clarifies it.
Reminds me of this.
She's got the energy we all need if we're ever going to eat the rich.
Before that murdering spree it was just other murdering sprees all the way back. Suicide bombings, bombing medical convoys. Hamas are terrorists.
Nobody is denying Hamas are terrorists.
But I doubt many people would act differently given the same circumstances.
Seems like people are denying that though. Got people all over Lemmy sucking Hamas off and copy and pasting Iranian disinformation.
Absolutely agree.
Dude, have you seen all the shit countries based on abrahamic religions have done through out the history?
And the other side says that anyone disagreeing with them is a genocidal nazi. I would say the whole discussion at this point is rather heated and fucked up.
Which Abrahamic religion are you referring to?
What happens if every single firstborn Egyptian son is killed overnight? Is that evil?
Religions don't always give the answers you might expect.
Average Us public have no clue what is going on in their own country, it is actually amazing there 1/3 know at least there is a genocide taking place.
Well, did my family join Hamas and then force me to stay to die as a martyr inside a building that Israel just told us they were going to bomb?
I think I'd be fine with the US not calling that genocide. If they did I hope they'd at least blame the actually responsible party.
Hahaha. Nice fiction story.
Try doing some research. Pick one of your Isreali genocide crimes and research it top to bottom. See where you got it wrong. Maybe after you do you won't just repeat what you heard from on online news website.
Oh sure do you want the map of 2,000 pound bombs craters in residential areas? The statements of the Israeli government? Or maybe the evidence the IDF tends to shoot anyone not wearing an IDF uniform?
I've done the research.
Oh I've seen that map. Now do the one with the overlay of Hamas's tunnels system.
Or are you one of these people who, every time something blows up, you believe it when Hamas comes out and says 450 civilians were killed and zero members of Hamas were present and western ragebait media airs the story of "reports of 450 dead civilians killed in indiscriminate IDF airstrike."
Meanwhile the medical community says there are 50 dead and IDF says half of them were Hamas and IDF publishes the recordings of the cell phone call warnings it placed to every active phone in a three block radius.
Some of the time, some of the dead must be members of Hamas. And it's for this reason that Hamas has no credibility on reporting these things, and why Israel is more credible.
That's what the IDF claim are military tunnels. Hardly reliable when they decided any tunnel entrance in an urban area was a target.
Lol remember when there was a hospital hatch they showed and claimed was a tunnel opening and it turned out just to be a water tank
Grow up little kid.
Reminds me of this,
You mean paid by Israel to pretend to be a terrorist so they would have an excuse to wipe away the final remnants of the war they have been fighting for about 80 years?
See, I can make things up as well.