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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well, did my family join Hamas and then force me to stay to die as a martyr inside a building that Israel just told us they were going to bomb?

I think I'd be fine with the US not calling that genocide. If they did I hope they'd at least blame the actually responsible party.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Try doing some research. Pick one of your Isreali genocide crimes and research it top to bottom. See where you got it wrong. Maybe after you do you won't just repeat what you heard from on online news website.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh sure do you want the map of 2,000 pound bombs craters in residential areas? The statements of the Israeli government? Or maybe the evidence the IDF tends to shoot anyone not wearing an IDF uniform?

I've done the research.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oh I've seen that map. Now do the one with the overlay of Hamas's tunnels system.

Or are you one of these people who, every time something blows up, you believe it when Hamas comes out and says 450 civilians were killed and zero members of Hamas were present and western ragebait media airs the story of "reports of 450 dead civilians killed in indiscriminate IDF airstrike."

Meanwhile the medical community says there are 50 dead and IDF says half of them were Hamas and IDF publishes the recordings of the cell phone call warnings it placed to every active phone in a three block radius.

Some of the time, some of the dead must be members of Hamas. And it's for this reason that Hamas has no credibility on reporting these things, and why Israel is more credible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what the IDF claim are military tunnels. Hardly reliable when they decided any tunnel entrance in an urban area was a target.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The hospital was built by Qatar and then Qatari state media ran a story "disproving" that it was a tunnel. Stop posting bullshit from Al Jazeera. It's not a source of valid information.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if Hamas was lying about there being some of their number present at a given airstrike, how many Palestinian lives are worth sacrificing to hit one Hamas?

Every time a terrorist or nut job takes a building full of innocents hostage in nearly any other society, people who are trained to minimize casualties are brought in. With the way the IDF is handling their invasion, they would more likely bomb a building because there might be a terrorist, and that's giving them a significant benefit of the doubt that they aren't just explicitly killing innocent Gazans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The IDF trains to minimize casualties and their tactics for doing so are taught all over the free world. There is no army more experienced in fighting an enemy that uses civilians as human shields in order to get international aid and sympathy. It's called lawfare.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then where is the negotiation? The surgical strikes done only when they know exactly where the terrorist is? Where is the care for the former hostages that survive the encounter? The days-long standoff, where no action is taken for fear of killing Innocents? If the IDF were so good at it, why are they doing nothing we've come to expect of a professional anti-terror team? What of the harassment of even the people fleeing Gaza? How is that not anything less than genocide? They should be better than this, and you should too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow friendly fire in the chaos of mass shootings? Have you ever heard of the felony murder rule?

Is it not the long standing official policy of Hamas not to wear military uniforms so as to confuse the enemy and increase their "martyrdom"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good questions. I think your first impressions were not accurate and now you're dug in. You keep seeing half stories and "reports" that sound significantly worse than they actually are, especially with regard to "bombing safe zones" and "indiscriminate bombing," and that further entrenches your initial, malformed opinion. It happens.

And in fact this is Hamas's exact plan. Here are the actual facts and history on this tactic:

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

Whether there should ever be negotiations with terrorists, even to exchange hostages, is a matter of debate and many countries including my own, have a longstanding policy of not doing so. I think the reasoning is obvious but if you need me to explain say so.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean paid by Israel to pretend to be a terrorist so they would have an excuse to wipe away the final remnants of the war they have been fighting for about 80 years?

See, I can make things up as well.