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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Regardless of your opinions about her specifically, it's a simple fact that positive societal change doesn't happen by asking nicely. Look at every civil rights movement ever. Nothing got done until people were inconvenienced and companies lost money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah that's bullshit. Society has been improving overall throughout history. Lots of positive change is brought about by people chasing bigger profits.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Only when those positive changes lead to bigger profits than staying the course

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

had me in the first half

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I honestly cannot tell if this is meant to be ironic or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No change doesn't happen by asking nicely, but I think some joined up thinking by these groups would get them further than performative protesting and getting arrested. If you want change then you lobby politicians on the positive benefits of change, and businesses on the potential profits to be had from implementing it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You: Hey government, here’s my vote!

Giant Corporations: Hey government, here’s $1 trillion

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's unrealistic. A supreme court justice only costs an RV and some vacations. You only need a few billion to buy control, assuming your interests are aligned with the other billionaires and they don't negate your spending.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’ve seen lobbying donations of $30,000. Our country is ABSOLUTELY fucked.

Bye America 🇺🇸 (more like buy America amirite)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not the real bribery. The real bribery is uncountable, sometimes literally bribes that are obscured, or more often positions in companies for them and their friend's and family, consulting fees, etc. This can all add up to hundreds of millions.

Heck... even one of those vacations that the person you responded to was referencing probably comes to over 50 - 100k per when you consider fully burdened cost.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There's more than one country in this world

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

What civil rights advancements have been won with this strategy?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

But all the lobbying has already happened - for decades - and nothing has changed. Fossil fuel companies have poured in billions over the course of decades, and still are, to counter lobby and spread misinformation to keep the status quo.

You're only seeing the 'performative' protesting in the media and not the lobbying because it's easy to report on, but in reality this movement is on its last legs. It is THAT level of desperation now.

Do you think they'd still be protesting if the government actually implemented the policies brought forward by climate scientists decades ago?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you assume the two are exclusive?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because they are. Groups like PETA, or Just Stop Oil are clowns who hurt their own cause. Performative protesting might win people a participation prize but to everyone else it's just "look at meeeeee!". At a certain point it actually becomes toxic to the cause. I know if I wanted to harm environmental campaigning then I'd invent Just Stop Oil.

Meanwhile big business are sending lobbiests in to change politician's minds, to make arguments that appeal to their rationality, or self-interest. THAT is what environmental campaigners should be doing - lobbying, extoling the benefits of environmental action, changing minds. Getting arrested in front of cameras over and over just becomes pathetic and performative.