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If you think that that what “antisemitism” complains are about, then you are clearly in some kind of distorted reality.
I haven’t seen antisemitic comments anywhere, but maybe they just get deleted.
Unless you think being anti-Israel is antisemitic? But if that were so, being anti-Russia would be anti-christian and being anti-Saudi would be Islamophobic, etc. I don’t think so. Some nation states are horrible and the only logical response is to be “against them” in their current configuration. (For example, since only 8% of the world’s countries are full democracies, you can assume I’m against the others.) If Saudi or Israel changed their ways, then I would be “for them” whatever that means. Keep in mind, countries are made up nonsense anyway, so we can only criticize their organization and administration.
Lastly, religion is a hideous evil. Perhaps this accurate observation itself is considered somehow antisemitic. Not sure.
Interestingly enough, the Palestinian people are actually a semitic race. So I'd argue the most antisemitic people on earth are the Israelis.
No arguing there, Israel is a Nazi State wearing a Jewish cap.
I don’t think we are talking about lemmy or kbin. It is about universities and resent protests and crackdown on those protests.
The important thing is to know and be committed to your own values clearly, so that when someone comes along trying to get to involved in things you don’t support, you can recognize that just because they’re acting friendly or want to be your ally, that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
The end result of everyone doing that is the kind of isolation you’re referring to. Doesn’t need to be centrally coordinated; the group just isn’t fertile ground for the extremism any more, because the members of the group know what they’re about.
I am not going to search the articles in American news for you - if you somehow missed it, you can Google yourself. I do not know what Israeli government says, and do not see even see importance of what it say with respect to what is going on on American campuses.
First of all I was not talking only about protest, but what is going on on American campuses. But second, are you saying that these protests do not sometimes chant "from the river to the sea" and pro-hamas chants?
And if any of us is gaslighting it is you, how did not even bother to google, and state that there is not any anti-Semitism.
So, I google it for you to close topic first 3 links (I did not even open them):
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/us/columbia-university-jewish-students-protests/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-hold-classes-virtually-jewish-leaders-warn-safety-palestinian-rcna148733
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/21/chaos-columbia-jewish-moskowitz-santos-white-house-00153545
Should I continue? There are pages and pages of these. Stope taking social sites as the news sources, read the real news. Get out from your echo chamber.
From the river to the sea is not anti-semitism
Israelis are invaders in Palestine, and Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.
From the river to the sea, includes parts that are not Palestine. You know that, right, yet pretend to think as if it does not mean destruction of Israel, the way Hamas demonstrated now. That’s what “from the river to the sea” slogan means - it is a call for genocide and if you support that, then yes, you are an antisemite, and simply moral monster.
So, imagine that it is indeed a call for the destruction of Israel.
That would be at most anti-Israel, unless you're a Racist who thinks "all Jews are the same", since the only way to believe the nation of Israel is the same as the Jewish Religion, which in turn is the only way to justify claims that anti-Israel slogans are always antisemite, is to think that all Jews support and identify themselves and their religion with Israel, i.e. that they're all the same and hence all think the same - a belief which is the purest of racist prejudice.
What's even more racist about claiming that anti-Israel is the same as antisemitic is that many Jews openly oppose Israel, including participating in these very same demonstrations, so by conflating anti-Israel with antisemitism you're straightforward implying that you yourself can define Jewishness better than actual Jews and by applying it to these demonstratiins which were also attended by people who are Jews, you're accusing said Jews of being antisemite, i.e. "Bad Jews".
It takes quite a lot of racism to go around implying that some Jews are anti-Jew because they disagree with the actions of a state that self-proclaims to represent them. In fact that kind of thing is typical of Fascism and Fascist nations.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/netanyahu-from-river-sea-israel-control-1234949408/
No it's okay when he uses it /s
You don’t have to google search the articles. Just find the ones you read, that convinced you, in your browser history.
Or google it and click the purple links.
Unless of course you formed this opinion without any sources being involved?
I suggested the person who is asking to google it - I do not need to google. But I did anyway and answered here: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/985285/-/comment/6369815
As for history, my main source of news is on Apple News, where I have subscription. I do not think it has history of what I have read.
Then why did all those faculty at Columbia walk out in solidarity? They all support violence in their schools? It's almost as if we're being fed bullshit and lies.
How percentage of faculty who protested removal of the tents by police has any relationship or relevance to antisemitism on the same campus?
You further antisemtic propaganda. Jewish students are an integral part to the protests. Jewish faculty supports the protests. You claim them to be antisemitic and support the police beating up and arresting peaceful Jewish students.
You support violence against Jews, because they don't share your political ideology.
You seem confused.
You seem posting non-statements
Yeah totally. And your comment (quoted here verbatim) totally makes sense:
This is how your comment reads:
Usually the case for hasbara
It's exactly what it's about. Criticism of Israel is included in the official definition of Anti-Semitism in many countries and organizations.
Which leads to the crazy situation of jews for peace being called antisemitic
I really don’t have much respect for “official definitions”
You don't but the big news outlet and governments live by them. If their booklet says X is antisemitism then they're going to respond as if it is. Regardless of reality.
Of course, and rightly so. But calls like “from the river to the sea” are not criticism of Israel, but a call for genocide. That’s as antisemitic as it can get. Violation of safety of Jewish student (not Israeli, but Americans with Jewish religion) also has zero relationship with Israeli criticism and 100% relationship with antisemitism.
Thank you for confirming that the Zionists are genocidal fascists. Because they invented this term and they mean it in the way of annihilating the Palestinian people, to fulfill they Lebensraum fascist dream.
But how do the Palestinians use it? "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". They demand an end to their opression and occupation by the fascists.
The Israeli version is
So you're saying that Netanyahu's son is "calling for genocide" and "as antisemite as it can get", given that he used those exact words in a post back in December.
In fact the White House spokesperson was confronted with this back then in a Press Conference because the White House was using exactly the same propaganda technique as you of claiming calls for freedom in Palestine were "antisemitism".
Yeah, I haven't heard these students say that. Have you? Stop making up bullshit.
I have heard officials in Israel use almost that exact wording though...
Yeah, the "antisemitism" complains are because of antizionism, and stupid people regularly conflate antizionism (criticism of Israel) with antisemitism (attacking jewish people or judaism.
Speaking of stupid people, Israel and the right are going hard to the paint to make this very same conflation.