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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m one of the idiots trapped in Florida and can see it coming. It’s just shitty to see how people will treat you when devastation comes around. You know Florida is full of refugees that don’t get to vote right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That took 2 comments of rage-bait bullshit for you to say that?

Like, at no point did you actually say you are a helpless victim in this.
It read like "I have and enjoy MY house on the beautiful coast. Why is everyone going to be so mean to me when the bill comes due?!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m just saying joking about not taking in climate refugees because they are from a place you thinks deserves it is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you made a lot of aggressive comments and exploded back at commenters before you actually explained your stance/position.
And it all read like "have pity on those beach front home owners when the tides come", as opposed to "yeh, beach front home owners are assholes, I wish they would do something to actually help. Unfortunately the regular population are essentially hostage to ever increasing rent, insurance and food prices making moving anywhere safer more and more difficult each season"

Maybe it's cause it's text.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you read have pity on the beachfront owners from anything I wrote that’s entirely on you. What I said was if you’re gonna laugh about my death from the same wave that’s coming for you, that I hope somebody further north does the same thing to you. Most people down here are a bad day away from oblivion already. Probably just like where you’re from. For some reason it’s okay to rejoice at Floridians getting ruined though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean I can’t relocate? I’m not chained to a radiator but thanks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bro I've met migrants who showed up with worn out shoes and a backpack. I'm not trying to be mean but most people mean won't not can't, you could drop everything and move to another country and get there largely by foot working odd jobs on the way. It being a smart idea is another thing entirely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You know nothing about me or my situation and I didn’t ask for your input at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Clearly that's why I asked a question rather than make an assumption.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dunno talking about your migrant acquaintance moving with nothing but rags on his feet and a tattered knapsack sounds like you’re about to give me some variation of pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Maybe I was hasty, but all the same I don’t need tips on moving.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I said worn out shoes and a backpack, but your overdramatizing does in fact prove my point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That you don’t know enough about me to be making suggestions on what I’m capable of?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Again, I asked a question. Your vague over dramatic tirade about no one knowing you though no one implied to but rather simply asked a question about it serves to prove my point and imply your circumstances without you actually saying them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m just tired of answering all this nonsense. If you think it’s cool to wish death on people because they fit a certain set of criteria cool. Do it. But don’t get pissy when people start looking for criteria you fit into.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Notice I didn't say anything about any of that. Again, you're being over dramatic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s what I was talking about though so fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Misplaced aggression isn't helpful but sure swing at ghosts if it makes you feel better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not misplaced you’re being irritating as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes it's me that's being irritating, neat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is it fucked up to think that Floridians deserve to suffer more from climate change or not? I don’t care if you don’t like my tone. That’s what the heart of these 30 comments has been about. If that’s not what you’re talking about then we don’t need to engage any further because that’s what I’ve been talking about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not what they're saying. They're saying if you could buy won't you can only blame yourself. Screeching "you don't know me" is not now nor has it ever been a reasonable argument but rather a definite deflection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t ask for that input to begin with. Making assumptions about strangers ability to move at will is absurd. And you’re still not answering my question? Is it fucked up or not to think certain groups deserve to suffer the effects of climate change?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then why cry about it in the first fuckin place, you know people are gonna have opinions it's a bit late to provide your own age then cry because other people offer theirs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Still not answering my question.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Crybaby, you don't get to demand my opinion on your question while you bitch and whine about my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Great advice, you should take it crybaby.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'd take it as a warning, and start planning your departure soon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You gonna help me pay for it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The open your eyes part means; start planning now. Shouting and screaming won't do anything to solve the issues you will face in the future. I am sorry you are jn this situation, but is been growing for the last 4 years or so...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So as long as it’s just the poors swept away by the tide it’s cool?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You clearly don't get it: Start PLANNING NOW. I'm not saying fuck poor, or fuck anyone. You seem to understand Florida will be flooding in the next 100 years, that sounds like plenty of time to plan and not be "surprised" when one day your home is no longer insurable

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s gonna be here way sooner than that, I’m stuck watching it in real time. What you don’t seem to get is people can’t just conjure money out of the sky to do whatever they want. In fact most people are having to work two jobs to maintain a solid 600sqft and be able to afford food. And they can be panhandling if their car breaks down. And it’s about to be illegal to sleep in your car. What I’m saying to all you fine assholes is that not everybody here is sipping margaritas and watching the heat dancers club baby seals on their yacht every morning. A lot of us are watching this bomb go off in real time and it’s really shitty to hear people acting like we deserve it and we’ll be mocked or turned away should we have to leave.

Like this is a wild amount of comments I’ve gotten from people I’m in mostly agreement with, except for the whole not shitting on normal people trapped in a shitty circumstance thing.

And finally I don’t own a home, but most insurance companies have already pulled out of the state or jacked up their rates to unaffordable levels.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've never owned a home, but when times get tough I always know what to do: Pick up my things and move. Yeah its not entirely possible a great swath of the human population, but thats not something I personally need to plan for now is it? No one deserves any of climate change to happen, but until people actually stand up and do something about it, it will not get better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are you doing about it aside from preaching to the choir? If you know it’s impossible for large chunks of the population to just up and move why are you being a dick about it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know telling you to start planning and start doing something about your situation rather than just bitch about people "Hoping that I die because I can't be assed to start moving away!" Was being a dick. But take care, I hope all works well for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, well it’s a dick move to tell people to make more money. In case you didn’t know that. Take care!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Moving doesn't require money just so you know. Its very very possible to grab the things on your back and physically move yourself. If you haven't quite understood that, then I'm sorry I had to paint it in such a picture. Its why I said "Not everyone can do this" but pretending money is the problem is an excuse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Where can you live without money? What if I’m in a wheelchair?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you are disabled this is an entirely different conversation and you should be angry with the goverment for not assisting you more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You’re not getting it, nobody deserves it and everybody should be angry with the government for not assisting any of us.