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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So far, scientists have found that we’re trending toward the high end of those predictions. ... “Presently, sea level is tracking in the intermediate-high to high, the two fastest,” said Randall Parkinson, a coastal geologist with Florida International University. “The other three scenarios, you might not even think about because we’re already rising faster than that.”

Gonna be real funny when that 6 ft by 2100 drops to 2050 and most of Florida become the climate migrants nobody wants.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

My in-laws just bought a house near the coast in Southeast Florida. I don't know what they're thinking. Maybe they're too old and stuck in their ways to believe that this will actually impact them? I don't know, but I imagine it won't be long before they can't insure that house anymore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Yea real funny. I hope when it’s coming for you somebody a little further north takes the same joy in your impending doom.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe the above poster was merely pointing out the irony of the situation, not saying that it's actually humorous. Florida's politics tend to villify refugees, while the residents themselves may soon become refugees fleeing to other states due to climate change.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There is a lot of people in this state that don’t agree with any of that. That want to do something to mitigate the damage of climate change and are absolutely powerless. Constantly joking about how we are going to get it the worst and we somehow deserve it is gross as fuck, and it’s constantly applauded on these forums. Floridians are people too and if you stopped assuming all of them are red hat rocking dickheads that deserve to be drowned in global catastrophe that would be cool ya know.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is why I specified Florida politics lean that way, not the residents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But they still deserve it right?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one of sound mind would imply that a group of people deserve suffering. No one here is suggesting that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I mean you aren’t, but the sentiment is all over this thread.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

not all the gusanos wear red hats

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm in Texas, not that far from the coast, and I make these kinds of jokes. I don't move because this is where my immediate family live and I don't want to leave without them. Texans are a great group to make the butt of the jokes. Doesn't mean I think I should be drowned or assume I'm a red-hat maga person.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The state continues to elect dipshits like Desantis, despite the evidence being blazingly obvious they’ll be the first in the line of fire.

What happens next should surprise nobody, and if somebody is surprised they were almost definitely part of the problem and should stay in Florida, if you catch my drift.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No I don’t catch your drift, spell it out plainly for me.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you continue to keep your eyes closed while walking, and everyone is screaming to tell you to stop... No one will be there to physically stop you from walking, you're on your own journey. Either open your eyes and look around, or don't be mad when you fall off the cliff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m one of the idiots trapped in Florida and can see it coming. It’s just shitty to see how people will treat you when devastation comes around. You know Florida is full of refugees that don’t get to vote right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That took 2 comments of rage-bait bullshit for you to say that?

Like, at no point did you actually say you are a helpless victim in this.
It read like "I have and enjoy MY house on the beautiful coast. Why is everyone going to be so mean to me when the bill comes due?!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m just saying joking about not taking in climate refugees because they are from a place you thinks deserves it is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you made a lot of aggressive comments and exploded back at commenters before you actually explained your stance/position.
And it all read like "have pity on those beach front home owners when the tides come", as opposed to "yeh, beach front home owners are assholes, I wish they would do something to actually help. Unfortunately the regular population are essentially hostage to ever increasing rent, insurance and food prices making moving anywhere safer more and more difficult each season"

Maybe it's cause it's text.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean I can’t relocate? I’m not chained to a radiator but thanks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (20 children)

Bro I've met migrants who showed up with worn out shoes and a backpack. I'm not trying to be mean but most people mean won't not can't, you could drop everything and move to another country and get there largely by foot working odd jobs on the way. It being a smart idea is another thing entirely.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (13 children)

I guess I'd take it as a warning, and start planning your departure soon.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sorry the conservative bigots who deny climate change and pretend the water isn't rising are going to get wet.

There. That's my sympathetic statement for them. But, no amount of warnings or even pleading with them can ever cause conservatives to do the right thing. The more we implore them to recognize the science, the more likely they are to drown just to upset us.

I, for one, support a conservative's right to drown exactly as they insist. We should be supporting their decisions for once. Let them face the tides bravely. We should be cheering them on as they sink beneath the waves. 👏 Good job, y'all! Good job! 👏

As for the innocent non-conservatives, we should be rescuing them and getting them to normal states just to get them away from the conservatives. Leave the rest behind.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's a common figure of speech. It doesn't mean actually funny.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it’s not an obstacle, it’s an opportunity! – Florida has a long and prestigious tradition of selling waterfront property

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Somehow I feel that capitalism won’t solve the problems that capitalism created.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The same kind of flooding that hit Brazil I expect to hit south Florida within the next year.

Florida does have a rigorous pumping systems due to hurricanes. So we will be able to pump the extra water out.... eventually. That being said, flooding will still persist for days at a time.

Though I am sure our elected officials won't just pretend that climate change doesn't exist..... and will put effort into upgrading that pumping infrastructure....

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

is the pumping system up to the same standards as Texas’ electric grid?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Not funny! 100's of thousands of people are currently in the dark because a thunderstorm came through 4 days ago!. JK. Maybe if enough people make fun of the joke of an electrical grid Texas has, it'll be improved.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Individual storms are random enough that I'm very hesitant to make that kind of short-term statement.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

RIP to any freshwater animals living in florida.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Takeaways:

  1. buy land in ATL.
  2. Political implications interesting. Since the poors will be the Floridians withiut options, it makes sense they'd go to GA...normally poors would be bluish voters but in FL, fuckssake who knows. Rich FL will just fly back to their homes in AZ, TX, NY, etc.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

How high's the water, Mama?

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