this post was submitted on 10 Jul 2024
348 points (100.0% liked)

politics

22365 readers
3689 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Calling your own voters bed-shitters, bed-wetters, whiners, etc. isn't helping

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.

You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.

But enough with the bitching and moaning.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Or how about listen to your voter base? Biden was looked at as a stand in after his first win. Ppl were not happy to vote for him twice. The DNC had 4 years to look for a viable replacement. Instead of acting like they can decide for us the DNC should of exercised potential replacements. It's what got us Hilary even though she was wildly unpopular and clearly democrats learned fuck all since her campaign.

The DNC think they're king makers in a democracy they claim they want to preserve. And yes I'm voting for anyone over Trump but the DNC should've not pushed their pick and let the primaries play out like the democracy its suppose to be

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or how about listen to your voter base?

They literally did. In their primary. Which overwhelmingly voted for Biden. Anybody could have run, some people did, none of them held a candle to Biden's numbers.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

How many primary debates did the DNC hold this year?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative.

Yes, the emperor has the finest clothes.

Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump

Want a list of names to dismiss?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

lol, wtf are you even talking about?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

calling the president [..] ineloquent

He obviously demonstrably is

without having an alternative

Are you calling Joe "there's 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump" Biden a liar? You gotta be, since you're denying that he's ineloquent.

stop acting like complaining is the answer.

I must have missed that part of the first amendment. Is it next to the part about a constitutional right to redress of grievances?

You want to replace Biden?

Yes, please.

Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump

Not our job. I bet you're one of those people who tell anyone who doesn't like your favorite music act to "make a better album yourself or shut up".

You think that's a good point, but it's not. In fact, it's every bit as asinine as any argument for voting for the Mango Mussolini.

Biden is the best we’re gonna get

Since the US democracy isn't very good at listening to the people in general rather than only those with the most money and power, you're probably right for the first time in your impassioned defense of settling for awful.

enough with the bitching and moaning.

You say at the end of a rant bitching and moaning about people rightly being wary of having to choose between having a severely impaired president or not having a democracy at all.

Be better. Demand more of the people who are supposed to represent your interests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired”. And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired

And also NOWHERE near the extent of it. Did you even watch the clip before declaring your disappointment in the guy trying to warn you that there's trouble ahead?

And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.

More inane projection 🙄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I watched the whole debate. And declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument, it’s copium.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

You watched the whole debate and your internal alarm wasn't BLARING @EleventhHour?

Are you that disillusioned or dulled from politics that whatever *that* was on stage was okay and acceptable to you?

I will vote for Biden because I don't want to vote for literally Hitler but holy shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I watched the whole debate

Congratulations on your bias shielding you from fully comprehending the extent of his sundowning, I guess?

I didn't mean only the debate, though. There's been a LOT of "what is the most powerful human in the world trying to say??" moments both before and after that specific debacle.

declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument

Lucky for me that there wasn't an argument to counter, then, just you screeching "YOU LIE!" a propos of nothing.

it’s copium

Again with the projection lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

WE BEAT MEDICARE.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.

Complaining is the answer. Biden shouldn't have ran in the first place, his Cabinet should have threatened to 25th Amendment him if he decided to run again. He's going through dementia. And most importantly he's loosing in the polls especially so in 6 out of the 7 swing states. And voters considering Biden state that his age and competence is their #1 reservation keeping them from voting for him. RFK has nearly 10% in some places a couple of percentage points from himeams that he'll beat Trump amd what he needs to do is adress his obvious shortcomings.

But unless rank and file Democrats complain, nothing will change. They didn't complain enough before the faux-primary and now they need to complain even more now.

You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.

Harris, Butttiget, Booker, Whitmer and one other person whose name I can't recall at this time were polling withing 2 points of Biden's clip last week. According to this poll Harris polling ahead of Biden and beating Trump nationally in polling. While I'm not sold on a Harris Presidency because of her very poor record; I think she's in the best position to take over.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Nah I’m going to go ahead and keep up the bitching and moaning because it is the only halfway decent chance I have at getting a president who actually cares about the things I do

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are many alternatives. He is ineloquent. I don't want to deal with a confused old man at death's door signing up for four more years. He should be replaced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We are not at the stage where you say 'alternatives', but are instead at the stage where you need to start listing specific names.

The best candidates (the various governors) don't seem to be jumping on board. Kamala looks risky politically but on technicalities she might have access to Bidens donations since she's the running mate.

Is there any other alternative you want to bring up?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Viable candidate? Dude, I could personally beat Donald Trump with the dem nomination, and im nobody. Trying to keep biden in is literally just trying to get trump elected. Hes the only person who could lose, because he might die before the vote.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Viable candidate? Dude, I could personally beat Donald Trump with the dem nomination, and im nobody

That strategy worked so well for the DNC in 2016, didn't it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Care to elaborate? Last I checked, HRC was hardly nobody.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

HRC is a nobody now? Tf are you smoking cuz I need that good shit.