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Stating facts is cheerleading?
Just saying, if you had spent as much on a laptop as you did on a MacBook, you would get a full work days of battery.
It's the same failure point apple fans have about Android. Yeah there are cheap androids. They suck, but also they cost$100-$200 new. What's apples offering in that price range?
Realistically with the new apple M-series stuff this is just not the case. The battery life is absolutely nuts. Especially compared to high end Linux laptops.
Source: forced to use apple for work
The new Snapdragon laptops are getting 15h+ of battery life, which is a couple of hours less than the new Macs (macs have bigger batteries) in the same benchmarks. The next gen Ryzen AI 300 Omnibook is said to have 20h+... but why do people want so much out of their battery? I've only used laptops for work and I can't remember being more than a couple of hours at a time outside a dock.
Do any of the Snapdragon laptops not suck? I haven't used any of them, but I'm looking for:
I'm excited to get a new Macbook Pro next year (our company has a 4-year replacement cycle), mostly for better CPU performance (my coworker's M1 runs our tests in 1/4 the time vs my Intel Macbook Pro) and battery life (mine frequently dies in meetings), but there's no way I'm buying one for myself. So I'm looking for an alternative.
I'd really like a Framework, but it doesn't have physical mouse buttons (very strong preference) or a TrackPoint (I can budge here), and the keyboard layout looks kind of crappy. The best so far seems to be the ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, but I'm really trying to get away from ThinkPad due to their horrendous Motorola bootloader unlock policy (i.e. you agree to never resell your device, and your warranty is void), and if that's the direction their company is going, I would prefer to avoid them, and it's kind of expensive (starts at $1275). The rest that I've seen seem to have crappy keyboards and no mouse buttons.
I wouldn't pay the premium to be a beta tester for Qualcomm for the new Snapdragons. They'll be cheaper, have better drivers and more laptops to choose from in a couple of years.
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I can probably wait a year or two before needing a replacement, and it would be extra cool if Framework releases one with ARM.
Ultra long haul flight, plus time spent at the terminal?
What terminals don't have power outlets easily available? I think even many planes do, although I haven't paid attention to that because I've never needed it.
You're probably right, that's just the only use case for twenty hours of battery life I could think of.
I've been in plenty of terminals w/o power outlets, or where the outlets are all taken. People seem to flock to them like crazy, and not having to deal with that is nice.
Yeah, but you have to carry batteries around.
I'm not a fan of Apple either, but you have to admit they've got the ultra portable laptop figured out.
Yeah, it sucks. To be fair, I hated their keyboards before and after the butterfly keyboard nonsense, I much prefer the deeper keyboard travel of my Thinkpad.
Eh, I think that's overblown. I have a 2019 Intel Mac for work, and nobody in my office has had that problem, and we've all had our laptops for 3-4 years. Our company replacement cycle is 4 years, and it's looking like I'm not going to have that problem at all.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that I haven't experienced it in our work setting. I certainly wouldn't buy one for my personal computer because I expect more than 4 years of life from it (I'm typing this on my E495 from 5 years ago, and I plan to keep it for a couple more years).
What does that have to do with their laptops? Same with the iPad.
My coworkers have M-series laptops for work, and they're way nicer than my Intel mac in terms of performance (>4x faster running our test suite and building Docker containers), battery life, and other features (they have the magnetic power port again). I'd never buy one because it doesn't run Linux properly and I hate the Apple ecosystem, but the M-series chips are quite nice.
Absolutely agreed. I've seen plenty of videos by Louis Rossmann about it, so I absolutely know it's an issue. However, he made the claim that it still isn't fixed in later models, so I'm going on the assumption that mine is affected, I just haven't triggered it (probably because we don't open and close the laptop lid very often).
I thought the "ecosystem" was the software suite, not hardware. So things like iMessage and iCloud working seamlessly between devices.
Honestly, being a "fan" of any company is stupid. I can't really think of a single company that I'd protect bad decisions from, except maybe Valve because they have such a long track-record of not sucking, and they're pretty much the only company that directly makes my life better on my Linux systems.
My understanding is that they committed to 10 years of support for the lightning connector, which was released before USB-C became a thing. I can't find a source for that, but it lines up pretty well with the timing of things (introduced in 2012, replaced around 2023), and I wouldn't be surprised if they made a deal like that.
There's more to it than just the cables, there's all of the companies that integrate with their phones. There are a ton of accessories for iPhone, and they probably have contractual obligations to maintain compatibility for some amount of time.
It's insane. I really want one for that reason, but ThinkPad with a ugreen 145 Watt battery bank gives me 16 hours of use. That's all waking hours.
It's hard to justify spending 3x as much on a single laptop just for that kind of battery life.
It's pretty easy to justify when work is footing the bill.
I'm actually pretty happy with my ~$200 Motorola G32.
Lol, nope, you are deluding yourself.
Look at its main competitor the dell xps,
https://www.reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/12kk5to/xps_15_9520_6_month_review_issues/
I have done a full 8 hours of work on my Dell Latitude 5440 before on battery. I put it in bat saver and it lasted me the whole work day.
But I re cognize something: why would I need to do that?
I sat a desk or my couch all day both of which had a convenient outlet. There was no point in doing that all on bat. Yeah it's impressive to have a crazy long battery life and is why I wanta MacBook for coffee shop coding days, but again, there's almost guaranteed to be convenient outlets and I own a 145Watt battery bank if needed. Thus my $150 ThinkPad E495 has been reaching 16+ hours of use without needing a wall wart.
Maybe your use case is different but mine where I'm certainly going to be stationary enough to use a plug or a battery bank means I can't justify the apple tax. Plenty of people have done this calculation hence why Apple still doesn't have an appreciable enterprise market share let alone a competitive one.
Facts about why you should pay more to an unethical company for a use case that doesn't exist smells like a sales pitch to me.
Where are you going to work on your computer for 16 hours straight without access to a wall outlet?
Ah yes, unethical company, as opposed to an Ethical company like who? Asus who was just caught overcharging their customers on RMAs?
HP? The most evil printer manufacturer on the planet?
Keep in mind my first choice, Framework did not sell in my country at the time, still might not.
Not having to have battery anxiety is not a sales pitch, it's just good stuff, if you'd have a software developer job, you could maybe understand
And you also just betrayed this whole anti-apple shebang thats going on here, it's about the money innit? If you can't afford it, you need to come up with nonsensical reasons why apple bad, don't worry, I used to do that too.
Lmao yessir Ima so poora can't afford a machine that forces obsolescence every few years, made in a sweatshop, not allowed to repair, made a deal with ARM to kill off competition, walled garden designed, lobbies the governments, takes a picture of you every few seconds, preferred by the CCP machine.
Oh gosh if only I could afford a new machine every 3 years from Apple but it costs approximately $70 per month oh no so expensive ohmagod how can we mere peasants?
Listen dude you're paying more to save a negligible amount on power, have a battery that lasts slightly longer than the competitors and much longer than anybody will ever need it to, and suffer much worse customer service. And you think its a status symbol or sign of wealth? You got scammed.
Every 3 years? regular laptops maybe last that long, but I am pretty sure macs last a fair bit longer, I was still working on a 2015 model in 2020 without any issue, only reason I stopped is I had to give it back.
I will be using this one for at least 5 years if not longer.
slightly doing a bit of heavy fucking lifting there, lmao. try 2x,3x,easily 5x in some cases.
I don't, not sure where you got that from, I just think most people hating on it do so because they can't afford it, which seems to be case a lot.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, lol.
TIL that 18 hours is 2x, 3x, or even 5x the 19 hours you get from a 2024 Dell.
if you think Macbook is a scam, not sure how you can say dell is good lmao: https://www.reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/12kk5to/xps_15_9520_6_month_review_issues/
tell me more about that 19 hours battery life, lmao.
I didn't say Dell was good, I said your claim was bullshit.
You shouldnt be using sleep overnight to begin with, you should use Hibernate. Sleep leaves the computer on unattended. Skill issue on that one.
as per the proof above, yours is bigger bullshit, or are we now okay with quoting manufacturer specified battery life and running with it and completely ignoring real-use-case battery life as long as it fits or preconceived biases?
The 18 hours from Mac Book is also manufacturer specificied, and if random reddit comments are proof of widespread malpractice then here: https://www.reddit.com/r/macbook/comments/1d6jtuh/battery_problem_on_macbook_pro_m3_pro/
Who are you bullshitting, lol, literally in the comments it says it's the fault of a third party app.
I have also done more than 18 hours, so I don't care about manufacturers specification, since I do have first hand experience, which you might dismiss as anecdotal but the thing is, I don't care.
How long did it take you to find that reddit thread with the whole ass 3 comments btw? Lol
So my random reddit thread is bullshit and obscure but your random reddit thread is legit and relevant?
No, yours is immediately clear that it's the fault of a third party app, mine doesn't have such a thing, are you sure you are okay, like mentally?
Uh, work? Sometimes I'm in meetings all day in different rooms at my company, and I really don't like bringing my charger around. So that's 8 hours, and I'll be running a lot of stuff in the background, which absolutely drains my battery life.
I also like using my laptop at airports when traveling, and finding a charger can be a royal pain. I've had multiple occasions when my laptop battery died and I just couldn't use it, and I get something like 3 hours battery life (which is pretty decent for a laptop).
I also WFH 3x/week, so it's not uncommon for me to work from the couch or walk around the house when on boring calls all day.
I'm plugged in most of the time most days, but exceptions do happen, and it's nice to not have to worry about battery life. I hope this anecdote helps.
Oh! Oh ho no, boohoo! Mr. Double-Shift-Back-to-Back isn't able to carry a charger to use at the 176 outlets in his building.
Sounds like you don't need a good PC, you need a union.
I mean, I can and do carry my charger, I just prefer not to. I have needed to leave a meeting to go fetch a charger, as have my coworkers, which is disruptive. Having >8 hours battery life would mean I would never need to think about the battery any more, I could just use the laptop all day and plug it in at night, just like my phone.