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I'm still flabbergasted that there hasn't been more of an international outrage concerning those pagers.
The use of mines as an indiscriminate weapon are already frowned upon,
And here they are using them, scattered throughout a civilian population with absolutely no regard to who could be standing next to their target.
Un-fucking believable.
They bombed dozens of hospitals and orphanages across two countries and also started a starvation siege since that time.
There is no outrage left
This really hit me. As in maybe it explains some things since the internet was created. It’s indeed so hard to keep up.
I know it's different, but that reminds me of the Gish gallop.
Oh no... Israel is doing the Gish gallop but for human rights atrocities... this explains it perfectly.
There hasn't been outrage because blowing up people with pagers is actually the most targeted thing Israel has done in the past year. Certainly a step up from killing hundreds of refugees to maybe take out one hamas guy.
Accused hamas guy
They killed children in that pager attack. Which I guess is part for the course, so ya, nevermind, you might be right.
There has been minimal pushback to the Israeli apartheid regime and decades long genocide in Palestine. You think a few more deaths are going to inspire real international action?
Not mines, IEDs. It was an indiscriminate terrorist attack on a civilian population using improvised explosive devices.
Indiscriminate it was not. It was hyper targeted at everyone in the command chain that got a beeper. It's not as if they sold them through normal stores to the general population.
They literally set off bombs in grocery stores and doctors offices. They killed a kid.
Right, because pagers blowing up in public is not indiscriminate.
It was indiscriminate and it was mass terrorism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_pager_explosions
It was a terrorist attack. We must condemn all terrorist attacks
At this point it'd probably be less work to praise them when (if?) they don't commit any...
Every day Israel doesn't commit an atrocity, they get a cookie.
Fortunately, I like cookies, cause it looks like I'm going to be hanging onto them for a while.
What's even crazier for me to wrap my head around is those pagers were a safer method for civilians than what they've been doing. They're indiscriminately leveling city blocks killing thousands of innocents.
well we know who could be standing next to their target- another brown person in a majority muslim country. IE, nobody western supremacist racist pigs give a fuck about which is why there was no punishment and there will be no punishment against israel for any single thing they do. if it were gonna happen it would have by now. it's not as tho once they get to that 300,000th dead palestinian suddenly the "rules based order" is gonna enact some of those "consequences for breaking the rules" on israel. not gonna happen. someone needs to dylan crooks netanyahu.
Half of the people those pagers killed were children and health workers.
Wait.. what?
I'm I reading that right?
12 people killed. 6 of which were 2 children and 4 healthcare workers.
But 2,800 wounded? So all of that wasn't even about neutralizing targets, but maiming?
How many were set off? I have a hard time believing a 12killed : 2800wounded ratio...
EDIT: Google says bout 5000 pagers
CNN: reports 37killked but 3,000 wounded.
Pretty clear from the footage and lack of civilian casualties that the collateral risk was very low though
Yeah no, the exploding pagers and radios, which were from an intercepted supply specifically for Hezbollah, was far more targeted than anyone could reasonably ask for.
Like yes, Israel's overall actions in Gaza and Lebanon have been horribly ruthless and against civilian well-being. And there is the broader context of Palestine. But this is what you're outraged by?
If everything between bombing Hezbollah and targeted attacks like the pagers/radio are off the table, like what would you actually do if a non-governmental military was indiscriminately firing hundreds of rockets into your cities for an entire year? Seriously, how would you actually respond if you were in the leadership position?
No dude, it’s pretty reasonable for me to ask that they don’t kill children with IEDs.
Idk dude, generally things like booby traps are considered illegal in part because they're not selective. Like if someone breaks in and you kill them with a gun it's self defense, but if it's a booby trap then we view it differently. Disguising bombs as typical civilian items seems pretty messed up.
Did you forget that ~~every "responsible" western power~~(Edit: Ottawa treaty) the US and Ukraine (who was a signatory of the Ottawa treaty) also has an arsenal of anti-personnel and anti-vehicle mines which are specifically meant to be hidden and disguised? Quite literally booby traps with long-lasting risks for civilian lives. Many children have lost their lives due to mines, yet they are still deemed acceptable in war.
Anything that risks civilian lives is pretty messed up. But even compared to the mines being used in Ukraine, the pagers/radios were far more targeted and posed less risk to civilians.
This is not true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty
No, I didn't forget. Someone even mentioned them in this same comment chain.