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According to nearly a dozen retired officers and current military lawyers, as well as scholars who teach at West Point and Annapolis, an intense if quiet debate is underway inside the U.S. military community about what orders it would be obliged to obey if President-elect Donald Trump decides to follow through on his previous warnings that he might deploy troops against what he deems domestic threats, including political enemies, dissenters and immigrants.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The guy is a fictional character in a TV show, and he is arguing that his military troops should not be used for police work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ah, so it's not relevant at all because it's literally not even based on our own universe...

Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a hypothetical scenario on a military warship in space with refugees in tow.

Also, it's not even praising the police, just stating its purpose.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

it’s not even praising the police, just stating its purpose

Maybe in that universe...

In ours "serve and protect" was never what the police were for, it was just a PR slogan they put in cruisers

That's what I'm talking about, our universe is not the same, although you seem to not be sure about how our universe works...

If not youd see why the quote isn't applicable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm familiar with the scene and stand by my statement.

Are you claiming you're a black guy now? That's pretty much what I'd expect from you (people).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nah, just what I think of everytime

I have no interest in a slap fight, have a nice life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

You're like 14 comments deep in probably the stupidest one I've ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Same, enjoy your day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh shut up dude. We see what you are doing. You are literally being DISINGENUOUS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

He's downvoted as hell, don't give him any more attention.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

You're so dark and edgy. Do you also use phrases like "the owning class" after reading that summary of Karl Marx that one time?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The US isn't the entire universe.
It's not even half of North America.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Science Fiction is largely used as an allegory to explore the real human condition in a way that is parallel to political and cultural topics of the day without the inherent baggage that people would bring to exploring the real topic.

While the original quote and topic is about deploying a military as a policing force, it actually also holds true in the reverse as well, as policing forces shift towards an adversarial militarization against their community, leading directly to the issues you raised in the first comment about the failure of them to live up to the "protect and serve" motto.

While fictional events aren't real, they are written by real people with views, desires and goals. Good writers will have internal consistency for their characters and try to ensure their external interactions have the authenticity of the ring of truth, because that's how people will relate to the characters and story.

Good fiction is just a random meaningless story, it's a platform for education and safe exploration of the real human condition.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but in the real America police have literally never had "serve and protect" as part of their duties...

It was just a PR slogan.

Invalidating the whole analogy.

It's just not relevant, and I'm sorry I can't communicate that in a way you can grok

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good thing you'll never read 1984, or animal farm, or brave new world, or anything by P.K. Dick, because, yep, completely irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No idea why you would make that assumption...

Or why you think that would be meaningful to the discussion...

Just sounds like a bad attempt at an insult which resulted in demonstrating ignorance. If that was your goal, then well done.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Your comment is not relevant because words.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

You don't argue from a place of good faith in the first place. No one is going to take you seriously.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Also, just to add some context for the specific example of Battlestar Galactica: the show premiered in 2004. The 9/11 attacks were still fresh in peoples' minds. Congress had passed the Patriot Act giving law enforcement and intelligence services new directives to surveil and police US citizens and look for signs of future terrorist plots. We were entrenched in two new wars, and there were lots of protests. There were scandals involving the president and his advisors misleading the public about the nature and quality of intelligence they had.

The plot and themes of B:G were a direct response to all of this. The idea of martial law being declared and rights being suspended was not some far-fetched idea the show writers were playing with. People were really concerned that it might happen to squash public unrest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

The new battlestar galactica was very much based on earth's problems.