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These are questions for after receiving an offer.
The questions you should ask now would be along the lines of management style, corporate culture, and team dynamics. It's the first few dates, not a marriage proposal.
lol no. If a company can't answer what my work hours are gonna be before we even have the first interview, I'm not wasting my time.
I disagree. They're important for me to know if I want to keep pursuing this job opportunity or if I should stop wasting our time. I don't want to do a second or third interview only to find out afterwards about all these factors. I could be out there interviewing for other jobs in the meantime, not in a second interview at this shitty company that doesn't want to tell me how shitty it is until they've offered e the job.
If you have market power, make sure you demand the terms upfront.
People who have market power and don't do it, are bootlickers
I don't see how answering any of these question in s straight forward and honest way would reveal if this company is shitty or not. Their ability to provide free parking is far an indicator of quality.
Interesting that you cherry picked that one... I would consider work hours and whether or not you'll get health insurance to be pretty consequential
I didn't say it wasn't consequential, I said it wasn't an indicator of if it was a shitty company.
OK. But those things definitely are.
Last job I worked had 38 hours per week of work, free parking, health insurance, and was a terrible company.
Free parking, insurance, hell... Even weekly activities don't necessarily make or prevent a company from being shitty. #6 could be an indicator, but by itself, it's not enough.
Not providing health insurance definitely makes a company shitty.
You realize it doesn't say that and this wasn't happening in the US. The candidate pulled out a piece of A4 paper. Something not used in the US very often.
What other country ties health insurance to employment?
I'm genuinely curious because I thought the US was the only one.
That's how corpos want this process structured...
Why should people waste their time to go through the dating process only to find counterparty is an idiot.
They can do that because they have the power. You only have power after an offer is made. Then leverage that power to get what you need.
That's the reality and companies are abusing this process by making hiring process a dick sucking, boot licking hunger games style process
It is disgusting
I don't disagree with any of this, but I don't know how this is connected to when it's appropriate to ask these questions. What am I missing?
If worker are able to shift the power balance to where employer has to tell term of the employment on the front end, we would NOT get abused as much during interview process.
For example as middle age cuck, I don't even talk to recurieter unless we agree on salary range that is acceptable to me. I am not wasting my time.
Obviously entry level can't do that but adults should be a lot hard on these corporate IMHO
It is our job to the drive this. Boomers unwillingness to do this got us into this situation.
But yes, as person on bad luck, young or otherwise unemployed, has to play the game how you outlined.
But most of these questions aren't addressing issues at the level of salary range. #4 might be something like a benefit package. Those are important questions and are usually addressed early for a certain type of professional early in the process.
But free parking? Work hours? Weekly activities? It not that these aren't important to know, but most of these questions are either better addressed later or asked in a way that gets them to reveal their values.
Well, good luck organizing the union of the unemployed people. That's not a category that is easy to gather.
Or you can play the individual game, and save your power to use when it will have some effect on your ongoing life, instead of just some psychological comfort on the short duration of an interview.
Yes, it sucks that you have to choose.
corporate shills:
“they have the power”
also corporate shills:
“nobody wants to work any more”
that’s bullshit. labour has, and always will have the power
Knowing power dynamics doesn't make someone a shill. And leverage isn't binary. You just gain more when they make an offer. Is this really that hard for people?
To stay in the dating metaphor:
Would you want the other party to be upfront about serious issues, or prefer to get to know that down the line?
In dating terms these are topics like "do you have children from a previous relationship" or "i plan to move to a different state in a few months".
If you dont respect the other side enough to discuss these things right away, the relationship is destinend to fail.
I don't think the questions on the list do that.
Working hours, medical insurance, probation period and notice to current employer are all pretty damn crucial.
If #4 is medical insurance, sure.
Probation period and notice to employer assume that you've landed the job and is presumptive to do so before the offer.
#6 is good. Weekly acticities is a weird question, but indicative of something important.
The rest are important after an offer.
Lots of companies have strings attached, you are allowed to ask if there are strings before they are presented to you on a platter.
Never said you can't ask.
Wow what a simp
Oh my! So many hurtful words. Are you getting enough oxygen?
No, none of us is due to poisoning our atmosphere