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[-] [email protected] 172 points 3 weeks ago

The IDF is a terrorist organization. Prove me wrong.

[-] [email protected] 191 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You know, at one point during this war, I thought, “they’re compelled to service, most of them probably don’t wanna be there, and we can’t hold them responsible for the orders of the state.”

Then I saw some interviews with some IDF soldiers. Then I saw more interviews. And it’s the same in recent interviews: they are happy to be there, and they absolutely love genociding Palestinians.

Fuck the IDF

[-] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago

They aren't going to let you see the unenthusiastic ones.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

They don’t censor foreign internet in Israel. Protesters of the regime can be heard from on the outside, there just aren’t that many of them.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I didn’t just see one interview. It was dozens of interviews over the last 20 or so years. If it was just one piece, I would probably agree with you (as I have clearly stated multiple times). And I’m sure there are members of the IDF who are not there willingly and do not support its goals.

But I have a preponderance of evidence which supports my position.

My point is, again, that IDF soldiers are far more loyal, willing, and supportive of the socio/geopolitical goals of Zionist Israel than soldiers of the Wehrmacht were supportive of the Nazi Germany.

The identity politics of being a Zionist are far more… all-encompassing then were the identity politics of being a Nazi.

Stop defending Nazis just because you are extremely ignorant of historical facts and contemporaneous attitudes.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they're doing. I am not debating that- i think you're right.

But it's important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven't seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago

I still think it's basically brainwshing by government propaganda.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Probably. Oude like some further analysis on that, but I am definitely inclined to agree with you.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Even if it were the case that they didn't want to be there, "just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you're compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

If I was a news agency with an agenda I wouldn’t be broadcasting the interviews that are negative either. Those you will find on foreign TV channels, 10-20 years from now after those who are currently serving finish their mandatory service and immigrate elsewhere. Every once in a while some event happens which becomes difficult to cover up. Like the Pilot Letters from 2003 and 2023, but it is the exception rather then the norm.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

Counterpoint: The IDF isn't a terrorist organization; they're the Wehrmacht.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don’t know if that’s really a counterpoint. The Nazis started as a terrorist organization.

And I’d argue that, based on available historical evidence, a lot of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis (a subtle distinction, I know, but I think an important one in this context), whereas IDF soldiers, according to many interviews with them, are definitely fighting for both Israel and Zionism. I would argue that IDF soldiers are far more committed to their geo/sociopolitical cause than were the typical soldier in the Wehrmacht.

The IDF’s fascist zeal is more akin to that of the SS. Although, as an organization, the US Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement is far more similar to the Nazi SS.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

The wehrmacht had tons of people forcibly drafted into it from occupied territories like Poland or Ukraine. People who often defected to the allies to fight against them later on. You are thinking of the SS.

[-] [email protected] 92 points 3 weeks ago

Not all heroes wear capes.

[-] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Are you going to tell those abs they need a shirt?

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[-] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago

Death, death to the IDF!

[-] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago

I'll go check his songs now, just from that chant I can tell he has a way with music

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you missed the 2000s anti war punk bands they deliver with a 2025 vibe.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe it’s because half their raps are in Gaeilge or the BBC just didn’t check, but booking Kneecap and not expecting to hear something about governments and Palestine would be like booking NWA and cutting their mics if they played Fuck the Police.

Great job riling up the crowd for Vylan’s new chant there, genius move.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Lol they basically did that before. They booked Rage Against The Machine to play "Killing in the Name of" live. It has the line "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me" and they asked RATM to censor it while they played. The BBC was then somehow surprised when RATM didn't do what they told them. source

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[-] bollybing 15 points 3 weeks ago

The BBC isn't booking anyone they're just covering Glastonbury festival.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago

Brits are so fucking good at chants. Caught the quick rhythm and even the melody in just a bar.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago

The BBC are complicit in genocide by censoring the news in favour of Israel.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone got a video of the rest of this set? Searching for it just brings up page after page of genocide apologists getting upset over the warmup.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

BBC nuked the footage after they got the call.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

I can agree with that message

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