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TLDR: StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher and some other projects are being blocked on 24H2.

One more reason to switch to Linux

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[–] [email protected] 272 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Microsoft devs have time to do shit like this, but haven't yet gotten the Settings screen as functional as Control Panel was two decades ago...

[–] [email protected] 227 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Do NOT blame the devs for this. They are not the ones to decide the direction of the product or the priority of the tickets they work. Blame upper management for making these poor decisions and the product managers for being spineless and not pushing back.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago (4 children)

But Steve Ballmer told me "Developers Developers Developers Developers"

Are you saying that was a lie?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they are pushing back, which is why Control Panel still exists?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Meanwhile the new settings panel is telling me my network is private while control panel and network share settings tell me it's domain authenticated.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I'm pretty sure everybody knows it's not just a couple of developers by themselves churning out windows. Even the project managers are just following orders. Marketing sets the tone upper management picks the path.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

You overestimate the agency of a developer.

[–] [email protected] 178 points 11 months ago (32 children)

I really hate having the taskbar permanently affixed to the bottom of my screen. I've had it on the left side for decades now. They are really throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Someone at Microsoft "Customization is the enemy of progress!"

[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I’m on 10 and been a top taskbar guy for years. Are you saying 11 forces you to have taskbar only on bottom?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Welp fuck. Guess I’ll start looking at Linux but every company I’ve worked for in the past 10 years is ALL Microsoft all the way

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why? Why even fucking do this? What do they get? And why is their default ux so aggressively terrible?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

They want you to use the search instead of a functional interface. That's why they keep making the interface worse.

It lets them spy on you through bing, allows them to fill the results with ads, and lets them hide system applications unless you know exactly how to find them.

It's also them gearing up towards funneling the entire UX through copilot for largely the same reasons.

The entire goal is to flip the operating system from the slave of the user to the master of the content.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The fact that windows is now becoming Apple 2.0 is kinda crazy ngl lol, thought shouldn’t be surprising cuz every tech company is now doing enshittification at this point.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And yet they're not even becoming apple in the areas where apple does well - UX consistency, battery optimisations, a reasonably well-curated app store, etc

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

who the hell needs an app store on PC?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Linux does a centralized, curated software repository with support for updates and it's loved.

Windows does a centralized, curated software repository with support for updates and people question why it's needed.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That's because the windows one came a decade+ too late, has a bunch of restrictions (particularly at launch when you couldn't even put desktop apps in it), and generally doesn't fit with the ecosystem. One of the reason Linux package managers are loved is it is a one-stop-shop for all app and OS updates. The Microsoft Store doesn't do that, nor can you add third party repositories to it (like you can in Linux) in order to attempt to make it a one-stop-shop.

A big hint here is it's called the Microsoft Store. It doesn't perform the same function or achieve the same goals as a Linux package manager. And that is on purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, there's lots of things in OSes that you don't need but are very useful to have. I love having access to Paint when I use Windows, but it's certainly not a hard OS requirement.

I imagine you're reeling at the idea of an app store on PC primarily because you know the Microsoft store to be absolute dog shit, and you'd be right, because it's a steaming turd. It's full of crap, fraudulent paid copies of open source software, outdated software because the dev hasn't bothered to update the WinStore listing, etc.

If you look over at the Linux world and installing apps is generally as simple as: open the software centre, search for software, press the install button, you're done. Updates will be done either manually or automatically through the software centre, for all of your apps.

Now, contrast that with what people actually do on Windows (because they sure as fuck aren't using the MS store): open your web browser (hey btw we noticed you're not using Edge, do you want to switch???), search for the software, make sure to click the link to the correct website (which isn't always obvious if you don't know the developer name), navigate to the download page, select Windows [version] x86_64, open your downloads folder, run the installer with admin permissions, go through an installer, delete the installer file, delete the shortcut it added to your desktop. Updates will be handled by an updater service for each individual app and most love to start running immediately after booting your machine.

A better app store is absolutely something Microsoft should be looking into

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

One tech company said "Hey, I can see the bottom!" and every other tech company replied "Race you there!"

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're not exactly "being blocked" but rather the legacy ability to tell explorer.exe to load the older style Taskbar, which those apps load then modify, is going away. I'm not defending this nor do I like it, but it would be like saying some Linux distro is BLOCKING customization because some legacy app dependent on Xorg will not work after they switch to Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

They’re not exactly “being blocked”

Simply renaming the executable works to re-enable Start All Back. They are being intentionally blocked by Microsoft.

Like in the case of StartAllBack, you can bypass the block by simply renaming the executable to something else. If you want to upgrade to a newer build, delete the app, update your system, and then launch it using a renamed executable.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Not if you're using the preview build, where the entire functionality is removed. The warning is just a preemptive preparation for beta users. The bottom of the article indirectly mentions this.

But sure, downvote me.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Good news hidden in the article:

Like in the case of StartAllBack, you can bypass the block by simply renaming the executable to something else. If you want to upgrade to a newer build, delete the app, update your system, and then launch it using a renamed executable.

@OP: People who are modifying Windows this deeply are not going to switch to Linux. If you're going through this much trouble, you've already tried Linux several times and left disillusioned every time. Linux does not compete with Windows as a desktop operating system and I doubt it ever will. It simply does not offer the compatibility and ease of use (including for power users) that Windows - for all its faults - has.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People who are modifying Windows this deeply are not going to switch to Linux

Yeah. Not just to avoid a quick file rename.

Although, I started out as someone who modified Windows that deeply, and I ended up on Linux.

One of my reasons for switching was when my favorite Windows mod stopped working, and there was no recourse.

This sounds like it goes beyond that and the Windows team is actively pushing modders out?

I think this will have an effect, and we will get more migrations.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yep, Microsoft is also blocking some github scripts for disabling telemetry,etc. They are just making it worse for themselves

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anyone could just as easily say:

Windows does not compete with macOS as a desktop operating system and I doubt it ever will. It simply does not offer the compatibility and ease of use (including for power users) that macOS - for all its faults - has.

Windows isn't compatible with Final Cut Pro, has a lackluster implementation of Adobe Photoshop comparatively, and has no support for common cli shells such as bash or zsh (without creating an emulated subsystem ala Cygwin or WSL). Setting up a Windows desktop for my day-to-day tasks is a huge pain as opposed to macOS or a Linux-based desktop OS.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

A Microsoft representative (?) opened an issue for Explorer Patcher:

Hi Team,

This is to let you know that Win10 taskbar code is removed. And if use continue to use ExplorePatcheron Windows GE Build, they will see a crash. You only need to adjust the setup exe name to get around the block in your new version. We will continue to block ANY version that crashes Explorer.

Please let me know if you have any question.

Thanks Michelle

Makes sense to me.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is Microsoft even deciding what programs I can run on my computer in the first place? They're not malware, they shouldn't be doing this at all.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Micro$oft are being dicks again, film at 11 but here's the thing - if you're interested in customizing Windows - just grab that live distro and get to it man. Linux is here and it's ready for prime time.

At this point Windows is just for businesses who don't know better (or refuse to learn) and people who haven't been told The Good News yet.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sorry, it's not ready for prime time.

It's great for advanced users who are willing to put in the effort to work for them as a desktop.

It's also great as a host for services.

And is dogshit in a business environment.

As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol). So I was in IT working before Linux existed.

I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.

There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.

There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one. So many run-of-the mill things that take effort to deal with.

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people.

There's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?

Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.

Someone else said it better than me:

Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.

So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.

And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?

I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.

I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.

Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's on a Windows server.

Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment, or for most users who are used to Windows/Office.

If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.

These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.

As a very advanced user, I just don't have the time to play fuck-fuck with Linux on a desktop - I have work to do with what little time I have.

Here's a question: if Linux truly competes with Windows, why don't massive organizations that have the IT manpower/expertise use it for their desktops? They'd save millions in licensing alone. Why is it they feel those tens of millions are better spent on contracts with MS?

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago

Wow, now I'm really glad I switched to Linux. Windows? Never again.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Why is Microsoft trying to shoot itself in the foot once again? One of the big reasons I like Windows more than MacOS is the customizability. When your market share is declining, you shouldn't add more reasons to switch to something else.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • Microsoft blocks app with major security and performance concerns from Russian dev.

Fixed that headline for ya, big guy.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Aaand another reason to stay with 10.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Turns out they don't like people disabling their adware.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

I still can't believe Linux only have 5% of OS market share

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (11 children)

I can. Do you really think computer savvy people are the majority of computer users?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

One reason not to switch to linux: I want to play PCVR with my Quest 2. It has a really bad stutter when moving around using the only tool that works: ALVR, and this makes VR unplayable. I have not found an actual solution, just a handful of speculative issues threads that go silent as to what is the answer if any.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

User won't switch to Linux because of lack of software support, company won't support Linux because of lack of user, such a vicious circle

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (7 children)

The solution is to probably not use the Quest 2. And that's a pretty crappy solution.

But VR on Linux sucks in general, so if you really need VR, it's probably best to stick with Windows. I really hope things improve because I'd really like to play with VR, but I'm unwilling to use Windows or make a Meta account, so I'm sitting on the sidelines until a reasonably affordable headset ($500-ish) with reasonably good app support on Linux is available.

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