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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fred walked so Joker could run

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

I loved both movies, so maybe that checks out.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Having seen neither (but Joker easier to guess from basic info) what's black swan about?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Black Swan is about a ballet dancer who, driven by the demand to perfectly play the lead role in Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake, descends into madness.

It's with Natalie Portman and a truly amazing movie. I absolutely recommend watching it, even when you're not into ballet.

Edit: To be honest just watch Joker too. It tells the story of Joker becoming the Joker and Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job playing the role. It's completely different from any DC / Batman movies and probably not what you'd expect from a movie that plays in this universe.

Both movies are great psychothrillers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Joker is great because it's using a well known character, but it could be literally anyone. From what I remember, the movie essentially had nothing to do with what Joker will become besides showing how it becomes that. There's no supernatural things. No powers or special abilities. He's just a guy. A guy who ends up being a character we all know, but he isn't yet.

It's using the marketing appeal and budget that DC stuff automatically gets, but it's using it to tell a story that is almost outside of it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

A ballet dancer who's going through some serious psychological shit, and the story of the movie is kinda a modern retelling of the ballet she's performing in

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You know this does kinda make me wonder how many examples there are of what's basically the exact same shot that aren't the akira motorcycle slide. I know there's another specific set of anime trope shots of characters getting crucified, as an homage to the many times it's happened in ultraman. There's another one of characters holding a sword with a super exaggerated perspective so the tip is close to camera and the character is farther away. Then there's the infamous "crazy" shot, where you do a kind of fish eye lens close up to the character's face.

Certainly, if you wanted to get more general and all-encompassing, you could take every form of shot reverse-shot used in a conversation as a pretty common example, though that one arises more out of necessity than anything else, I think. The coen brothers and occasionally wes anderson are a good example of how to make that actually be interesting, I suppose. I definitely think I've seen the "staring out the window" shot more than once, usually on a bus, since that's a pretty good opportunity to use it, as the protagonist isn't driving, and that's an example that's little more specific than just shot reverse-shot.

I dunno, I kinda wonder what are some other good examples of shots like that. Shots not iconic or specific enough to entail a clear reference to something, but shots that are specific enough that they don't arise solely out of necessity, but arise out of a need to illustrate a common cinematic point. Shots that exist as shorthand, basically. I think it's probably in those shots that we'd very clearly see "cinema", as an artform, as a language that communicates things to the audience. Any shots like that come to mind?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are many "visual tropes" like this. When I am watching anime with friends, we like to call them out. We even made a bingo at one time for re-occuring tropes.

There’s another one of characters holding a sword with a super exaggerated perspective so the tip is close to camera and the character is farther away

That's sunrise stance

some others are

  • gainax stance
  • SHAFT necksnap
  • jojo pose

There is also a big list at tvtropes (not all anime though) https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StockPoses

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NOPE has an Akira bike slide homage scene.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it is Black Swan cosplaying as Taxi Driver

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The plot is even closer to The King of Comedy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you're saying I should watch Black Swan?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

You should. Great movie. Don't let the ballet-centered plot fool you. It's a fucked up Aronovsky movie after all so things get crazy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's so entertaining as a young man, highly recommended.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

No wait, that actually tracks stupidly well. What the hell?