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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Its only a genocide if it comes from the third reich. Anything else is just sparkling ethnic cleansing.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every Jew in modern day Germany...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are already. Antisemitic violence has been on the rise here since October 7. Antisemites see Israel do a thing and think “I know, let's hurt some Jews”

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I as a german asked an expert on that topic. Chatgpt. According to chatGPT there is no genocide if you don't kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet. So if for example you drop accidentally poison into their water because you mixed the Botox and sugar bottle in the water station then even if they all die it is not a genocide.

And since chatgpt is infallable this is the only truth.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good thing then that Israeli politicians haven’t been on record saying that Gaza needs to be "wiped from the face of the Earth"!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except that basically all Israeli politicians have made statements saying they have genocidal intentions.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Upvoted but I wish you would have run your post through ChatGPT as well my friend. That was hard to read.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Comma rule in German is so fucked that normal humans just give up and never use any.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Yeah, genocide often requires intent. So I guess this could be more of a massacre than a genocide.

But there's quite a few different definitions, some are more lax.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

Except for all the politicians, from shutzstaffel commanders to the (Hitler apologist) PM's PR guy saying exactly this, using words like cexterminate' 'wipe from the earth' 'every last one' and many individual storm troopers posting on their social media (in videos while doing war crimes), or even their 'civilians' frequently saying it

Edit: nevermind. It wasnt a press guy; their pm.said it himself. Of course it did.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

(Preface: I am team genocide. I also live in Germany. Germany's politics are a disgrace, but I digress.)

What annoys me about this is that this discussion gets so much media attention and focus, while it doesn't matter in this very moment. I understand that there are implications if it will be defined as a genocide. But right now people are being killed every day en masse and they frankly give a crap about whether they died in a mass murder or terrorist attack or a genocide.

It reminds me of the early days of the Ukraine war when everyone was so obsessed with comparing Putin to Hitler (Putler is still a popular term) and the discussion was high on whether Putins actions amount to fascism or not, with a lot of internet laymen but also experts on that subject chiming in. When I asked a half Russian, half Ukrainian what their opinion was, their reply was something like "who the fuck cares? Call it a chicken pea pie, nobody cares, people are being killed, I don't give a crap. Somewhen in the future people will be looking back and asking the same question, but it doesn't matter right now." And it stuck with me.

If I understand correctly, the ICJ will rule again on the case in a couple of years (?), which obviously isn't relevant right now. It seems like the ruling would have an aftermath in retrospect but even if they ruled it were a genocide today, nothing much would change directly - but please correct me if I am wrong here.

But what definitely doesn't matter is what we think. What matters is what is happening. And it doesn't need a name to be evil and detrimental.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Germany has supplied 30% of Israel s weapons, and has continued to do so during this ongoing genocide. If Germany or the US were to acknowledge the ongoing genocide, they'd have to stop supplying those arms immediately, hence stopping the annihilation of Gaza. So it's of immense importance to keep repeating what most of the world already acknowledges: this is a genocide, and those arming the perpetrators are complicit in their crimes. History will not judge Germany kindly, but I guess that's not exactly a new thing for a veteran perpetrator of genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

”i am team genocide"

-volvoxvsmarla

I dunno, can we trust them? Agree tho; people are dying and it needs to stop no matter what we call it, even if there were no larger implications; its fucking pointless and needs to stop.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I hope I won't be remembered for this quote. I'll choose my phrasing better in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well, he is right, its mass murdering, but not genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Israel: [Murdering journalists and foreign aid workers] see? It's not only Palestinians, it's random.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Genocide, as in the legal definition, requires intent. As far as I see it Germany is not even trying to deny anything Israel did or does, or argue evidence in any other way, all the government is basically doing is saying "Your honour, our client can't have intent because they're demonstrably criminally insane, we know because we caused that insanity". Not in that many words, but to that effect.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And a sane person/nation would willingly engage in genocide? Insanity doesn't negate intent, only ones ability to distinguish reality or prevent themselves from carrying out actions they know to be immoral. Inb4 India, China, the USA, and Russia of course but you take my point?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

If it weren't tragic, it would be funny.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Germany: "Fucking casuals, you call that a genocide!"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

germany really said

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe because what is happening is not genocide?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Youre gonna have to be a bit more specific in your defense. They have been killing all Palestinians, have been saying that all Palestinians are Hamas (including kids), and have said multiple times they want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

How is that not genocide?

Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words... It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there was an intent to destroy Gaza and all it's inhabitants Israel would have done so already. I probably need to see more justification than some emotional outburst a few days after getting terror attacked and israeli citizens kidnapped.

Your arguments are weak. Yes there is a sad situation where a lot of Palestinians are dying but it's not a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (13 children)

What do you call ethnically cleansing and starving an entire population? Is that not genocide?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Germany moment

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