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For reference for those using freedom units that's roughly 60 mph in a 20 mph zone
Bonus. In eagle burger land that will either land you:
$200 fine and 2 points on your license (varies on state)
shot in the face (dwb and reaching for a ~~gun~~ wallet)
nothing (hello fellow patrolman, have a great day killing pet dogs)
Source: I'm a red-blooded freedom loving eagle burger citizen
While true, it’s always the insurance and fees that get you. This is why I don’t understand states that post their speeding fines: they’re low enough to not stop anyone, but also don’t give the true cost
Here in Massachusetts
Your first speeding ticket … lose your Excellent Driver Plus Discount and see your premiums rise and stay higher for six years!
Plus that kind of excessive speed will almost certainly also get you reckless driving
For surcharge purposes, reckless driving is treated the same as DUI [or a major at-fault accident]. This could result in a huge insurance premium increase.
Okay so i know you're replying to the first point, and everything you've said is valid.
However, I mentioned the inherent racism and corruption that exists in US law enforcement in a very tongue-in-cheek way, and your reply of "while true" was just… oh man, yeah, chef's kiss
But yes, it's the collateral affects that really get you. Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol
(For those in countries with functioning governments, in the US 30kph is usually reserved for school zones during restricted hours)
Freedom units? You mean the ones used by your British masters?
If the Brits were still our masters we'd have a single player healthcare system. Still have an odd fixation on the monarchy tho.
America, when chavs get money and declare independence
People regularly do that speed in my neighborhood that has a 25mph limit. The only time I see cops around is when they're looking for the tweaker down the street so they can arrest him for whatever shit he stole this week, have him rat out other tweakers, and immediately release him to do the same thing again later.
Catch and release is vital for a healthy ecosystem. It allows for sport catching without impacting breeding programs. Done correctly, a sportsman can take progressive trophy photos throughout the quarry's life
In the eagle burger state of SheetzWawa you lose your license if you're doing more than double the speed limit.
I was in traffic court in the 1990s and saw a guy get sent to jail for driving 75 miles per hour on a 25 miles per hour road.
This was in Virginia. The person refused a lawyer. He looked like he was maybe 22. The look of surprise on his face when he was led off to jail was priceless.
In Berlin a driver went 73 in a 30 zone, passed a truck on the right using a bus lane, and murdered a cyclist.
Three years later, he still walks free and it looks like he always will.
Noted: if you want to murder someone, use a car.
In Germany
anywhere
im all for it except for literally scrapping a perfectly good vehicle
they must know crushing and manufacturing a whole entire new car to replace it is costly as fuck to the environment and our pockets? putting it in the hands of someone who might need it is literally free.
Sends a great fucking message though.
i dont care about messages in this context, if we crush cars without an alternative we will just force people to indebt themselves with new cars, and that just makes the problem worse. early obsolescence is not the answer.
The context is going 70kph over the speed limit, or 233% over the limit.
Not sure about Germany and Switzerland, but here 30kph zones are used for school corridors and pedestrian areas.
Some fuckwit driving 100 kph in one of these is tantamount to attempted manslaughter.
Someone doing this shouldn't need to worry about a new car, because they shouldn't even be able to buy a new car before rehabilitation.
sure, throw that bastard in jail. still, a car that can do that speed can be given (or at least auctioned) to someone who will use it fairly until its useful life is spent, and we can replace it with something better. we do that here when we catch criminals doing stuff like this on vehicles.
Crush it with the driver inside it. One less car needed and eliminates the chance on recidivism!
In Latvia we have solved this for now, we're just sending the confiscated cars to Ukraine.
And not even enough. As a society we're condoning too much when it's about cars.
Going 100 in a 30 should be charged as "attempted massacre" if stopped. Because it's not an "accident" anymore when you go that fast.
And driving that fast in a residential area without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, should be an aggravating circumstance and not the opposite.
I wonder what the finnish Mayday psychosis guy got for driving and crashing his Mercedes at like 180 km/h through a narrow and extremely busy street (30 or 40 km/h zone) got. He didn't hurt anyone IIRC but he also could have killed like 20 people. I'll edit this comment when find the video and the verdict.
edit1: the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpNI2BQYrE&pp=ygUSdmFwcHUgbWVyc3Uga29sYXJp
edit2: ok he "only" drove at 100km/h and injured 2 people. He was accused of 11 cases of attempted manslaughter among other things. All charges dropped.
Apparently he had just proposed to his bride, she said yes, it was the happiest day of his life and he completely snapped. No drugs or alcohol involved.
Only 2 years suspension is a slap on the wrist for what is essentially an attempt at stochastic murder. We need to stop treating driving licenses as a universal right and stop clearly unfit people from sitting behind the wheel.
If we stop treating driving as functionally a right we have to stop treating owning a car as functionally mandatory to having a job and being able to feed and house yourself.
What do you do in the US if you need a job but don’t have a license? You drive anyways and just deal with the risk. The problem is that people HAVE to drive so we can’t really in good faith take the ability to drive away from most people as most when pushed to their limit couldn’t stop driving if they wanted to.
i'm of the opinion that we should have a 2 strike system, first strike means you have to re-do your license from the ground up including any costs and undergo psychological evaluation to see if it's safe to give you a second chance, and second strike means you simply do not get to drive again, tough shit.
A suspended license should however come with a free public transport ticket such that you can get around reasonably, add the cost needed to finance that to the price of getting a license in the first place if that's what it takes.
Where I live (Australia) it's $962 (€586) and a 12 month licence suspension. $2,212 if you do it in a truck.
What's interesting is that if you turn your head to look at a phone in your passenger's hand while stationary at a red light, it's a $545 fine and 4 points off your 12-point licence.
based shitting on trucks
Honestly can’t get enough of that, I am so tired of people driving around vehicles optimized for murdering children for no reason.
Going 100 in a 30 zone means you don't care about killing a child if one happens to step out on the street.
Boggles my mind how you're able to ever legally drive again after that.
That will kill adult too
Not familiar with how EU countries decide what speeds to put where, but if they are anything like the US, they might be referring to the fact that 30 KPH is basically what a school zone would have posted, but yeah speed limits exist for your safety and the safety of others, if it's 30KPH, there's probably a reason.
Germany sometimes seems like the America of Europe.
As a finn that had to deal with a week long Erasmus university intense course with mostly german masters students... Yeah, americans of the Europe was the exact impression I got. Everyone else from all the other participant nationalities were respectful and professional, but the german students just couldnt.
Gods, I fucking hated to see the eyes of shame in the german professors faces watching their students go through their shenannigans and fits. My previous stereotype of germans as a nationality or as a culture being rational and collected died very quickly during that week.
Sorry for any germans reading this, but I consider you as the Americans of the EU after that experience.
Switzerland is based af
Austria passed a law recently to confiscate and auction off your vehicle in cases like this.
Even as a car owner, I have no problems accepting Swiss-level regulations for this kind of criminal behavior.
Meanwhile, in the US, going 74 mph in a 25 and killing someone? No consequences as long as you're a cop.
All fines should be income dependent. Especially for all flavours of corporation, in which case there should be no upper limit. If the corp goes bankrupt because they broke the law hard enough it should either go out of business or become a public entity if it's vital.
Weil Autoland Deutschland, darum.
Germany knows whats up.
Don't like the loud kid next door? Run it over with your car. Your wife left you? Kill a bunch of pedestrians to blow off steam. You are below 18 years old and don't have a car? Fuck off, your age is a YOU-problem.
After we build that one more lane we will be even greater than the USA.
The first kid is free.
