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Todd produced something that's actually good‽

I've watched the first two episodes and I've really liked it so far. While FO4 as a game was OK at best (at least vanilla; Sim Settlements 2 is great fun), I've liked the art direction on it. I know the "chunky" look has been a bit… divisive, I think it looks suitably retrofuturistic and less drab than the earlier games, so it's fun that the show has really leaned into the style. The score by Ramin Djawadi is also really good, at times really reminds me of Ben Frost's and Marc Streitenfeld fucking amazing score for Raised by Wolves.

The dark humor and a somewhat quirky and sarcastic take on things is also very Fallout; it doesn't take itself too seriously, but is also surprisingly dark in many ways, and not just because it's postapocalyptic and bloody.

spoilers for first 3 epsThings like what Maximus did to whatstheirname, with the razor in the boot, and then what happened between him and Titus after the yao guai attack. It's like everybody's at least a little bit of an asshole and that there's not too many if any unambiguously "good" characters in the main cast.

Edit: did that axolotl-looking huge mutant with fingers coming out of its mouth drop loot when it died‽

All in all, it's been a really nice surprise that the show seems to have turned out well; my cynical old ass was definitely prepared for something worse, heh. How have you folks liked it?

(Oh and for the love of the gods and all that is fuzzy, please remember to use spoiler tags if you talk about plot points 😁 It's the second button on the right on the comment format bar.)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Oh I get it, he must play the character Fall Out boy

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It sounds really good, but I'm protesting commercials on a service that promised to be commercial free. I will watch it vicariously through online discussions.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

I'm going to rename my NAS "online discussions" in your honor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good: Nice special effects, nice wardrobes, nice sets, the ludicrous violence fits right in with the universe, and particularly the performances from the actors are very good. At least visually, it looks way better and the effects look way more convincing than 3 Body Problem, to use another recent show as a comparison.

Bad: apparently the show disregards New Vegas lore (personally idk I never played it), I think the editing is super bad, the story is average.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

There's NV hinted at the next season... If they make it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Disregarding established lore is a Bethesda specialty. Shouldn't come as a surprise if the show does it as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's weird to me how no one is talking about how it has a strong and blatant anti-capitalist message. Without getting into spoilers, the ending really drives it home. I'm surprised right-wing dickheads aren't screeching about it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Right-wing dickheads definitely are screeching about the show being "woke", though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ew, don't reich-wing tears taste bitter?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

dunno, it's for the flowers 🤷

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Growing some bittercups?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Ok, I gotta ask, I know almost nothing about the lore of Fallout, is this show for me? Does it have enough content for newcomers that makes it worth it?

I did enjoy the Twisted Metal TV show, if that brings any context about what stuff I like, although at least I did play some of their old games and enjoyed them, but I remember next to nothing about the game's "plot", if there was any to begin with.

EDIT: Thank you so much for your replies guys, it seems definitely like a fun show and I'm craving for one lol (I just finished Titans S03... and... it was not good), I'm gonna give it a try!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

the reason why the fallout story is very flexible on a any place no context story is because each individual vault has its own story, and stories are hyper regionalistic. so while all regions may share the same start (nuclear fallout of course) and prewar tech, what happens after is up to the writers imagination, as long as a writer doesnt pick an already existing vault number that already has a rule.

minor lore spoilers ahead: each vault was not built the same, all were a major experiment and had different conditions to see how humanity would adapt to different conditions presented to them.

this is why fallout is super flexible on where a story can start, game, or show wise. for example of something that won't be in a game or show, Vault 68 was an experiment where what would happen if you put 1 woman, and 999 men in a bunker. Vault 69 was what would happen if you had 1 man, and 999 women in a bunker.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It gives a lot of background for those unfamiliar to the lore. I’m pretty sure newcomers will also like it. It’s a lot of fun, like the games!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The way they introduce it is great too, using the flashbacks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If you enjoyed Twisted Metal, you will enjoy Fallout. Both are excellent TV adaptations of their respective games, and have a thick layer of dark humour underpinning the action. Twisted Metal was particularly surprising, I want to shake the hand of whoever was looking at that crusty old PS2 game and saw dollar signs for TV!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Titans was rough.

Doom Patrol is where it's at!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To me, fallout is more about the setting and aesthetics than the story and the TV show captures those two points very well! It's definitely very campy at times but I've found it to be a really enjoyable watch so far (just finished episode 5).

I really like how much of fallout is crammed into the show, from the brand names for foods to the vaults and monsters to the music. They really do make the setting the core aspect of the show, which was all they really had to do to make a good fallout show IMO.

The plot and many of the character's decisions are probably the weakest points so far but it's all stuff that easily overlooked.

Overall, very pleasantly surprised by how good the show is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the characters motives just randomly change to fit the plot and there's never any logic behind their decisions.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

why is everyone praising it? they spent it all on costumes and sets, and forgot to hire an almost decent writer. the script is terrible, it’s full of nonsensical stuff and it feels copypasted from others shows. I really disliked it, and I played all the Fallouts since the 1990’s.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"We decided to hire a shit writer in order to recreate the atmosphere of a true Bethesda game"

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why is everyone praising it?

I know this may come as a shock, but people can have different opinions on things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is a non answer, did you like the costumes, the acting? Was the script bad the dialogue stilted or plot contrived?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Should be pretty obvious that I've liked it, but here's yet another shocker: nobody's under any obligation to justify why they like something, even if you don't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's not the point, I never said if I like it or not. Your answer didn't help the other guy Why do you like it? He said why he doesn't. Explaining your point of view may help people enjoy the show.

Your answer is " Just because"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I'm going to jump in here. I've watched 3 episodes.

Some of the dialogue does feel bad, but in my experience it's from the vault dwellers. I think it's intentional.

Goggins playing a smooth af character delivers everything with a smooth confidence. He's a joy to watch.

The other actors do well. The sets and costumes are great. The plot feels very paint by numbers, but that's the era we live in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Somebody asking "why is everyone praising it?" isn't looking for "help"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

IMO the story is not really worse than the games' writing. Fallout as a universe never really made sense. So for me, it being fun and campy is enough and just what I'd expect of a Fallout show.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While it's pretty average as far as action drama shows go, it's very easy watching! Was pleasantly surprised. I think it fails to establish a lot of things, so non-fallout fans might be a little confused sometimes. I think they could have gone a bit slower and properly introduced the wasteland, its people and its factions. Hopefully they increase the prop budget too, there's not a lot of weight to things and you see them actually bend the foam power armor in one shot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Some good references too, like that poster on the wall in episode 5, 'a man and his dog ',

Todd produced something that’s actually good‽
Probably a mandatory credit thing, he is too busy fixing Starfield

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

They also reference it during Cooper's party and he mentions that they used his actual dog for the "in universe" version of the movie.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Todd isn't busy fixing anything. Let's be honest.

There's enough diehard Bethesda fans that will buy anything he shits out. Even F76 has a playerbase now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

The pacing of Maximus part is so boring. I am honestly hoping it gets better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Give it time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally, I’ve found it pretty great. I’ve watched the whole thing and am going in again for another binge. The ending is great. Knowing that it’s already been greenlit for season 2 gives me a lot of hope.

It would have been really easy to fuck this show up, but they really managed to pull it off!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So it's actually good? It was looking like low budget camp from the set photos.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From the looks of the first episode, one thing it's definitely not is low budget. It's well-crafted and probably very expensive. The sex is perfunctory and the violence is lovingly detailed at great length. There are no real surprises, good or bad, in how they've handled things.

Personally I probably would've preferred low-budget and camp, but I imagine it will succeed in achieving the goals that its producers had in mind. I will probably watch some more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Only on first episode but also very pleasantly surprised. I expect very little from Amazon and often think of cancelling it but I'm only paying about $4.00 a month so don't end up bothering. This month I'm getting my money's worth.