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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

It's weird how in one of the richest countries in the world, many people even couples with 2 full time incomes can't afford a house?
It's extra weird, since it seems to me many American homes are built with rather cheap materials compared to Denmark where I live.
What makes even weirder, is that USA is a country with a lot of room on average for building and expanding living spaces.
Seems to me this may be a case of lacking political planning.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's weird how in one of the richest countries in the world

Not that weird when most of the riches are held by a handful of people. The rest of us are just trying to get by.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Yes that's a problem, still Americans have higher average pay than most countries. With lots of room and cheap materials, it should be relatively easy to afford a house. And AFAIK it used to be that way. People could afford a house, car, children and health insurance on one income.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's a mix of outdated zoning laws, investment firms buying up all the available housing and car centric infrastructure

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Items #1 and #3 are restatements of the same issue, and #2 is a red herring.

The problem really is just car-centric zoning.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

No there's other things that aren't specifically car centric but are definitely a cause for undue expenditure.

You don't think that the firms looking to earn passive income and controlling a significant amount of the supply is an adding additional expense by adding an unneeded middleman?

Don't get me wrong car centric infrastructure can get fucked but I think it's important we work on the problem from all angles.

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[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

The firms thing is very real. In a local small town, the majority of rented homes are owned by the same company.

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[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 11 months ago

It's not a lack of political planning, it's a lack of political power for the working class.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

It’s done by design to drive people into poverty and subservience.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Can you expand on the superior Danish building materials? Genuinely curious.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Basically that many houses in USA are made of wood, we can't do that here, because the climate is too wet. So wood doesn't last very long. That means we need to make brick houses. Brick houses are way more expensive to build than wood.
Also many places in USA don't require the same level of isolation.
In large parts of Sweden they can make wood houses too, and their house prices are way lower than here.
I'm not saying American houses are bad, but the climate in large parts of USA allows for more and cheaper options.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not the person you're asking this from but as a Finn who watches a lot of construction related videos on YouTube I too get the feeling that houses in the US are built to a lower standard than here. It's not so much that the materials are worse quality but more that the building code is much stricter here.

I'm a plumber by trade so my area of expertise is quite narrow but couple things that come to mind is how copper pipes are often soldered in the US where as here they're always brazed which is a much stronger joint. We also don't allow any connections to be made inside walls but in the US they're common. Toilets there also tend to clog up quite often because of the way they operate which almost never happens here. Another thing I've noticed is that in the US they use a lot of wood and plywood even on bigger structures which poses a fire hazard as well as there doesn't seem to be as much thought put into the insulation and vapor barriers.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 66 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The other 60% have already accepted it and aren’t worrying about it anymore.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 14 points 11 months ago

Thanks for confirming I won't be having any original thoughts today :D

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the other 60% are just delusional about their chances

[–] Alk@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I'm about to buy a home, but it's taking 4 employed adults combined to afford a 3 bedroom house. It's insane.

[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, surviving on the interest of your invested wealth, and forgoing toast with healthy yet expensive toppings? /s

[–] Alk@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Ah shit you know what? That's a great idea. I was actually just throwing that interest money away because I wasn't sure what to do with it.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried asking your rich dad to buy it for you?

[–] Alk@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

He actually is helping (but not rich) he is taking out a personal loan to gift me some money, enough for a portion of the down payment. Even with that, (and I am very grateful and priveliged to receive it) it's still almost unaffordable. (I'm still not actually sure we can afford it.) Which, considering most people aren't so lucky, is fucking insane.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Just buy some money.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Heyo! It’s me!

I figure that since every single house costs the same, I might as well just jump into a new-build for the same price and move on with my life.

I’m 100% certain that once I get really going with this process, I’ll find out that it’s still out of realistic reach range, but it’s fun to dream for a bit. 🥹

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

You’d be surprised, it depends entirely on where you’re willing to live.

I used to live in the Denver Metro Area in Colorado and houses were going for like $400k-650k in the area.

Ended up moving to a smaller town ex-urban/rural area since my work is remote anyway. Had my home built in 2021. 1050 sq/ft 2 bed 2 bath for $210k. And even better, I snuck in before rates climbed. With $6k in points at closing, I got it at 2.25%.

Even after doing a full solar and battery installation and insuring the place for an additional $50k to accommodate that and value increase, my mortgage (including insurance and tax escrow) only comes to $1215 a month. I’ve been paying extra on principle every month to reduce interest amortization, and hope to pay it off within the next decade most likely. Retirement won’t be easy, but actually seems like a possibility now.

And bonus, I’m near a ton of nature, get to enjoy deer chilling outside the house, and the night sky out here is beautiful.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Oh it's not a worry, it's a reality.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

How does this compare to renters in previous decades? Are there similar surveys from those eras?

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