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Reminder that like 80% of israelis support the Genocide in Gaza.
So I did a little research on this -mostly because every Israeli person I’ve talked to IRL and online vehemently hates what their government is doing. And I found that this article states that the poll was taken from Israel Hayom, which according to Wikipedia is:
Owned by the family of Sheldon Adelson, a personal friend and benefactor of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel Hayomhas often been criticized for portraying Netanyahu in an overly positive light.[8] In turn, Netanyahu has been accused of attempting to benefit Adelson's investments.
Basically, careful where you get your sources. A Palestinian YouTuber I follow said “don’t trust Western media” and I have to back up that statement here. These people have an agenda, and Israel Hayom’s agenda is to help make Bibi look good.
Thanks for clarifying this. Are there other israel sources with better polling?
But but but Palestinians support Hamas too!!! Both sides!! (/s)
there is also more than 70% Israeli public support for a large-scale military operation against Hezbollah in Lebanon
Uh-oh.
Moreover, they don’t want to witness further bloodshed in Gaza; instead they want to see the elimination of the murderous terrorism that declared war on Israel and slaughtered us mercilessly on that terrible day.
And Palestine wants its country back, the one you stole. They want to see the end of the murderous terrorism and genocide that invaded them so many decades ago, that every year kills their children and parents.
Thousands of Israeli citizens have taken to the streets, advocating for immediate elections, a deal for the hostages, and a more accountable leadership.
Where are the protests against the genocide Israel commits?
Why do you only protest against what’s affecting you and not what evils you are doing?
We must not allow Netanyahu – who is accused of criminal activity including fraud, bribery and breach of trust (he denies the allegations), who made dangerous alliances with extremists to form his government, and has even attempted to turn Israel into a de facto dictatorship through his government’s controversial attempt to pass “judicial reform” to dictate our relations and divide us.
You voted him into power multiple times over decades, you let him do this, don’t try to pin it all on him. As if Israel is the victim here and Bibi rubbed a magic lamp to get into his position of power against Israel’s wishes.
Israeli citizens are the ones thwarting Netanyahu’s authoritarianism, we are the ones holding him back in this moment.
Israeli citizens are the ones committing the massacres. It’s not magical robot ghosts marching in uniforms, firing tank shells, and raining bombs on Palestine.
Imagine a German during WW2 saying they were the real victims and the ones fighting Hitler. This is the revolting attitude on display in this opinion piece.
Well said.
What are you talking about?? This person explicitly stated she did not vote for Netanyahu. She is part of the coalition that is directly opposed to Netanyahu and his military strategy. What the hell is she supposed to do as a single person. What is the point of your comment? You really felt the need to grandstand or something?
I’m talking all of Israel. The Israel she is saying doesn’t support this, didn’t vote it, excuse etc.
There is no doubt the ruthless leaders of Hamas are willing to starve the residents of Gaza to death for the sake of the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people.
That's not who is stopping aid trucks from entering, killing medics, and killing humanitarian aid workers. She's refusing to hold Israel accountable for its war crimes.
Yeah, they’re trying to spin this on Hamas while Israel is the very one not allowing food trucks and human aid for the Palestinians.
It is also not Hamas who’s killing thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians.
It seems they’re now trying to spin everything on Hamas while when looking back on history - it is clear as day.
EDIT: for the people that are downvoting me; you can keep downvoting but history does not lie and you cannot bend it to your liking. Israel literally has been murdering Palestinian civilians since 1948 up until today. They never have been ‘easy’ for allowing human aid, food trucks for Palestinians.
History does not lie. It never will.
Note: used the word “easy” due to the lack of a better word (or perhaps there’s but I don’t know it).
I believe in a pre-1948 Israel.
I think zionists are starting to infest lemmy.
They know how threatening it is to have a platform where people aren't loyal to their cause.
It’s not Zionism to understand that the Israeli people do not want war. 21% of Israelis are Palestinian. Netanyahu currently has a 15% favorability rating among Israelis. There are protests in the tens of thousands in the streets of Israel. He’s simply not long for this position.
As soon as you said the word israeli its entirely about zionism. Thats it, thats israel, thats the only reason it exists
That is a very ignorant understanding of the state of Israel. A third of Israel’s citizens are not Jewish, and the remaining citizens fall into three groups regarding its role as a Jewish state.
https://jewishcurrents.org/recent-polls-of-us-jews-reflect-polarized-community
Less than a third. The ones that arent are arabs that were already living there and are trying to not get targeted by israels killing spree. Israels first settlers were zionists, its expansion was zionist, its formation as a country was zionist, its appeal to the US for military aid has perpetually been zionist, its continued assaults and illegal settlements in neighboring countries are zionist. Its government is zionist, its military is zionist, every facet of israel hinges on "jews are divinely allotted this land in particular"
America was founded using genocide and slavery. Does that make all Americans genocidal slavers today?
things arent going well when you're tryin to justify your side by comparing them to colonial Americans. Yes America had a pretty awful founding. But the motivation for that founding wasn't for an ethnostate, and the motivation did not persist through all of American history to the present day. Puritanism itself doesnt even exist anymore. America is still pretty awful tho and shouldnt be imitated or tolerated to invade other countries and blow up civilians.
I’m responding to a comment that likens the founding of Israel to the current Israeli people.
It’s literally the same statement about another nation.
There is no such thing as a non-Jewish Israeli citizens. Can an Arab "citizen" buy land anywhere they wish? Can an Arab "citizen" repatriate refugee relatives? Can an Arab "citizen" commemorate the Nakba free of government discrimination? Can a political party that advocates equal rights for Arabs seat members in the Knesset?
You don't get to celebrate diversity in an Apartheid State.
That’s wildly incorrect. Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion. The state of Israel is heterogeneous in both ethnicity and religion. Also, not all people of Jewish ethnicity practice Judaism. You should read more.
around 27% of israel's citizens are not jewish. they have the same rights jews have, so yes they can buy land wherever a jew can.
there are 4 arab parties in the knesset.
one of them was part of the 2022 government.
I believe in a world without Zionism.
And so begins the inevitable "this is actually just Bibi's fault, not us poor Israelis!" PR spin to try and get people to sympathise with the colonizers who will just elect an even more racist and evil genocidaire to do their bidding.
Was all of America defined by Trump?
Never said Israel was defined by Netanyahu, I said that Israel is defined by Zionism, which persists even if the figurehead changes.
As for your naff rhetorical, Liberal Americans ARE defined by the colonialism, rampant capitalism, and disregard for the environment inherent in the system they support.
Netanyahu is on the wrong side of history... and so are you. There are a lot of assholes in Isreal but most people everywhere are just regular folks. You're only a few steps away from shouting about "cultural bolshevism". Don't generalize by race, it's what allows Likud to convince Isrealis that genocide is justified.
Yeah the poor oppressed Israelis, who still back invading the last enclave of relative safety in the Gaza strip in their vain attempt to secure POWs that Hamas has already offered to swap for a permanent ceasefire.
Zionism is sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.
What do you think an Israeli can do against their tyrannical government? There are already mass protests in their country for him to step down, give up their settlements in West Bank etc..
Lmao mass protests for a change in government whilst still flying Israeli flags and supporting the invasion of Rafah.
I can tell you what I expect Israelis to do when their government is committing a genocide in their name, but you won't like it
"The state of Israel is in the midst of a difficult war..." Stopped reading.
But have you considered the pitched and complex conflict between [an advanced first world military] and [starving children]
I believe in an Israel called Germany.
Give them Germany.
This is what should have happened, since lots of Berlin stores and apartments were stolen from Jewish people.
Although you have to understand that no Jewish person would take back their property in Germany after the war. Not only was it in cities that had been bombed out, their German neighbors had recently locked them up in concentration camps. Any sane Jewish person would want to get the fuck out of Germany.
But maybe they should have gotten their property back after 10 years or so.
Dissolve this awful ethnostate experiment of a country
I believe in no israel. No peace will be achieved until Palestinians get every inch of their land back.
Your stance is as extremist as Ben Gvir and his ilk who say the same exact thing except replace "Israel" with "Palestine"
Don't pretend to be an advocate of peace
I am not, nor am I pretending to be, an advocate for peace.
edit: typo
I believe in a two-state solution will full recognition of Palestine
Israel is killing an entire group of people for the actions of a few. In the short term they will be demonized, over generations people may say what choice did they have if not forget what happened altogether.