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[–] [email protected] 131 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I don't know a teacher who would say that tho

[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My personal experience has also been that the students who don't understand the material never say anything, fall behind to the point where they just give up because it would take too much effort to remediate, and post Rick Sanchez "school isn't for smart people" quotes on Facebook with a high school diploma.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yep.

A major problem that people don't understand with college is that it is far more willing to let you fail compared to high school. A lot of young adults aren't used to dealing in a environment that doesn't provide immediate negative feedback on failure or non-performance. They hit one hiccup, can't come back from it, then spiral out until they flunk out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This seems pretty unfair. I definitely remember students going to office hours, attending study groups, working with tutors.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Yes, that’s not those people. I’ve been both of these people. Quiet and ashamed me had bad grades and disappointed teachers. When I went to office hours for some reason the teachers got way nicer when I screwed up, almost like they saw me putting in effort and were happy to teach me

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, but they might easily run out of time to help one student understand if the rest of the 25 kids in the class are ready to move on.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel this is how half of the classes I was in went.

Let's explain to Donna why 2 + 2 = 4 even though its a pre-req. The content of the test won't be easier. I just won't cover the new material. I'll waste all my time on Donna who will end up not understanding it either way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Fucking Donna. Ruining it for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I see you didn't have my 10th grade chemistry teacher.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Or my 6th grade math teacher.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Look at you there, having nice teachers that don't bully you in front of the class for their own personal pleasure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think I knew one teacher that might, but he was a bit of a nut. Listened to imus, so that tells you something

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

A guy I knew in school became a college professor. He'd absolutely call his students stupid. A friend of mine sent me a link to his "Rate my Professor" page and apparently his class is mostly full of people failing miserably. A load of Quality=1 and Difficulty=5 and complaints about how he makes fun of students who don't know things. The only good thing people had to say was that he had clear grading criteria.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I was having trouble with long division in school in the fifth grade. I had a piece of shit tell me 'I give up'. He did it too. For the rest of the year he ignored me. When I was in high school he was dying of cancer and the rest of the class got upset that I wouldn't donate anything or sign their card. They refused to believe he ever did that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I had a teacher who told the class that atheists are stupid if that counts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I had several teachers like that in highschool. I didn't go to the best school.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is the student smug but internally crying about not knowing excel?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

THIS MOTHER FUCKER MEMED WRONG

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, straight to jail.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

THIS MOTHER FUCKER MEMED RIGHT

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Well yeah, his teacher yelled at him in meme class so he never learned how to meme.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

I love the nearly racist truth that there are clear tiers for countries and helpful YouTube content.

Are you an Electrical Engineer? You want a man of Slavic descent.

Computer scientist? Indian man.

Programmer? You want either middle east or (vaguely) American white guy.

Physics? White girl; geographic region not important. Or black American man.

Mental Health: woman either American or vaguely from geographic region of India.

Mathematics? British accent or Asian descent.

I am not sure why this pattern seems to exist, but it feels present. If you seek help on YouTube with any of these subjects I imagine you've seen it.

Like if I'm looking for an explanation on Colombs Law, I want a guy that sounds like ElectroBoom. If I need to know about Discrete Finite Automata, Ill click the first guy with a turban. If I want to know about the poincare conjecture, Im looking for snaggletooths. If I want the latest from James web, I'm looking for a ponytail or Sabine.

🤷‍♂️

I feel like even SEO acknowledges this prejudice.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you an Electrical Engineer? You want a man of Slavic descent.

But the god of all electricians is Iranian

The rest I can't argue with at all though

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Iranians and Slavs are both Indo-European, which is almost what I wrote. And literally after googling ElectroBoom's accent/nationality

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well it has to do with culture/educational systems.

For example in Japan they still teach the abacus(soroban) as they see it helps visualise calculations which makes mental mathematics easier.

On the flip side Japan barely teaches spoken english and focuses mostly on written tests. So the typical japanese person can read/write english but can barely form an english sentence when speaking.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Indian man on YouTube put me through college 10-14 years ago. He's a real one.

It wasn't that my instructors were discouraging me or anything. Indian man just has a way of explaining things.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I tried so hard to listen but the accents are too thick sometimes. You should get a certificate for being able to understand after all that.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It starts to really sink in after about 100 hours lol

My first job out of college, I worked with a lot of Indian people. It was like I was uniquely prepared to work there.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

You must do the needful

--Indian man

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

When I was young we had a Smith-Corona PC. It was like a suitcase.

Anyway, I had two things I could learn from - Lotus 1-2-3 and Leisure Suit Larry.

I didn’t learn spreadsheets.

Edit: add pic of Primitive portable PC preceding Passionate Patty’s play.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lotus 1-2-3 […] I didn’t learn spreadsheets

What do you mean? Lotus 1-2-3 was a spreadsheet. It was THE spreadsheet.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Corona

Unfortunately named.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I don't think they are losing a lot of sales since 2022.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My queen coronabeth tridentarius would like a word

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Nearly every time I've needed to learn how to get around an issue in flashing a custom ROM onto an Android device, it's been South Asian YouTubers' tutorials that saved the day.

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[–] ChillDude69 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Teachers: "We're doing the best we can. It's all the parents' fault for raising these no-learning-ass little monsters. We've tried literally everything, and there is NOTHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO to rescue the nation from this nightmare of continually stupider people. None of it is our fault, and if you even think about suggesting that we should be held accountable for our job performance, you are actually evil."

Also teachers: "If you kicked us an extra twenty or thirty grand per year, you'd really start to see a lot of improvement."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it is probably easier to teach when you have adequate funds for supplies, and are paid a wage where you don’t have to hold down an extra job to make ends meet, having more attention and energy for teaching. One would think at least

[–] ChillDude69 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's true. And I was exaggerating for effect. But the fact remains that you can't have it both ways.

Either you're doing everything that can be done, and nothing can help these little shits to learn OR you need more money, and that would fix the problem.

Pick one of those messages. Not both. Both things can't be true.

EDIT: Please do pick the "we need more money" message. It's actionable, at least. I'm all for raising taxes on the top 25 percent wealthy motherfuckers and putting a lot of that dough into education and directly into teachers' salaries.

We should at least try that. See if it works. The other message is just "the kids are dumb. The parents are bad. We're all screwed. Always kiss teachers' asses, though, whenever you see them."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Honestly, I don't think I've heard the former all that much, at least outside the context of the latter.

So yes, you can have it both ways because one influences the other. Provided you can see in more than one dimension.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Both can be true. Teachers can be doing everything they humanly can with the constraints and budgets they're given by the people in charge, whether it is public or private schools. They're still people who need food, water, shelter and clothing, and so many teachers pay for the supplies they need with their own money, cutting into their ability to afford basic necessities.

Having more money available to pay for teacher's aides, and for the necessary supplies would remove a lot of the burden and barriers teachers face when actually teaching.

[–] ChillDude69 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

many teachers pay for the supplies they need with their own money

They just shouldn't do that. It should be actually illegal to do that. I really mean that.

Imagine if this shit was going on, in the construction industry. Imagine if we got into a situation, where the people who hire construction contractors refused to pay for enough building materials, and then the contractors refused to pay for those materials, and then the actual construction workers started bringing in steel and concrete, from home.

That would be BEYOND STUPID. Nobody would do that. But if they DID ever do that, it would completely destroy the economy, and basically make sure that no buildings could ever be built or repaired.

Rather than telling the people at large that they need their asses kissed, the response should be to tell the districts: "well, I ran out of supplies, so I couldn't teach." If that functionally means a strike, then so be it. It is ethically problematic, because of the actual futures of the actual kids involved...but it should have been dealt with sharply and directly, all along.

Instead, teachers are coddling governments and middle managers by taking the burden onto themselves. I know it's easier said than done, but they need to start saying "no," rather than saying "please help me, out of the kindness of your hearts."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then the children would get worse education than they already get, it would be years until the pressure got enough to actually change anything in the administration, and then longer for it to have any effect on the funding that schools recieve from the government.

It's not some problem that can just be hand waved away because they should have handled it better in the first place or something. This shit has measurable effects on outcomes for the rest of a person's life.

The issue is that the consequences of any strong action from the teachers disproportionally effects the students, with little to no direct effect on the people that would need to be involved with improving the situation.

But sure, go off on how teachers are failing students by stretching themselves thin trying to keep students from being screwed over.

Same shit as telling schools to stop blowing absurd amounts of money on sports: it's not nearly so simple. A lot of that money comes to the schools in ways (grants, etc) that legally obligates them to use it for sports and not where it would be more effective.

But no, the true reason things suck couldn't possibly be because shit is fucking complicated. Everyone is just too dumb or cowardly to do things the way you identified as the solution.

I sincerely hope you grow to understand that most shit like this wouldn't be a problem in the first place if any old layperson's "hot take" idea could actually solve it. People are stupid, but not that fucking stupid.

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