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Nintendo DMCA Notice Wipes Out 8,535 Yuzu Repos, Mig Switch Also Targeted. (torrentfreak.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nintendo is one of the worst companies that always want to set an "example" about the DMCA. They don't realize they are fighting a battle they cannot win. Emulators are perfectly legal as long as the emulators don't contain any code that was in ownership from them.

That being said, I'm betting some of those forks were following the DMCA but Nintendo still shut them down. This is where copyright needs to be reevaluated.

I'm honestly not surprised they haven't gone after dolphin emulator since those devs contain the encryption keys to play the iso files.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, I agree with your general points, but I think part of the reason Nintendo is so harsh towards Yuzu is because, as far as I'm aware, Yuzu does actually contain proprietary code from Nintendo.

My understanding is that the Yuzu team used a Switch development kit instead of reverse engineering the Switch as they had claimed, so the entire code is essentially tainted because it's unclear which parts came from the development kit and which parts came from true reverse engineering

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Source?

Not disbelieving, but I've never heard this before.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I tried looking for it, but all my searches are flooded with articles about this current takedown wave. I did find a forum post talking about it, though, so I know I'm not crazy.

I might try searching again later, in which case I'll edit this comment.

Also, I know this isn't really relevant to the question, but the Yuzu team was doing some really shady stuff, even ignoring the development kit usage. For instance, they were collecting telemetry data from all of their users and were using illegally obtained roms to optimize Yuzu, to the point where the Yuzu team was able to get games to work before the game's official release

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

They did do shady stuff but I hate that the "TOTK worked on the Switch perfectly on release day" is thrown around as an argument. It's an emulator, emulating the switch hardware, if it does it's job well of course it'll do that.

I know that they used leaked builds but that just annoys me.

And obligatory, fuck Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've seen hearsay that there have been Yuzu patches specifically to aid compatibility with TOTK before it was officially out, which would have greatly supported the "mainly/primarily used for piracy" argument in court.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

IIRC they also had some stuff going around about how Tears of the Kingdom ran better on the emulator than the actual Switch.

Pretty sure that was the point at which Nintendo decided to unleash the dogs on them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/3/24147936/nintendo-dmca-takedown-yuzu-emulator-copies

It's true. They used Nintendo's own cryptographic keys to make the yuzu switch emulation work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not "proprietary code", those are keys. And they actually didn't include keys, Yuzu did require you to supply a key, however a lot of them were then derived from the key supplied.

And there is no other way to do emulation and a whole host of other things if you can't use their keys. Make no mistake, Nintendo wishes it could make using the keys at all illegal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Here's the thing. The creators of Yuzu folded which is a win as far as Nintendo is concerned and a loss for everyone else who uses the yuzu emulators. Your semantics about the situation aren't helping. All I did was supply a link to a news story that was already available on Lemmy on literally the technology community. This has already been hashed out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's not code and Texas Instruments already lost on that one

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The distribution of DRM encryption keys is very storied.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Part of the problem is they apply Japanese copyright law to an international level. Wouod be cool if they hit the wrong target, got sued for trying to apply their laws to the world stage, and got matched each time they appealed until their war chest got drained dry

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What Japanese copyright law? They sued Yuzu in a US court.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

In terms of their mentality, I mean

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The DMCA is a US law, so I don't see how you can say they're using Japanese law.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

In terms of their mentality, I mean

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good luck trying to wipe my hard drive fuckers 🖕🏻

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

27tb of pirated content and growing myself...keep doing gods work friend

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

don't give them ideas

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Still torrents going around

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Idk what you mean...

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:IBBJLW4R2A224EJZLLIXKWVX4XOIW3YZ&dn=yuzu-full-archive&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopentracker.i2p.rocks%3A6969%2Fannounce
:)

Edit: Alternative straight torrent file: https://mega.nz/file/5lUl3IRR#pcxCxYYjCUY1DLCeZKVYKIX_siM4F2mPPRMqCk9r298

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Broken magnet link

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And how do I push my commits to that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on your username and the fact you mentioned pushing commits to a project of such complexity I would assume you are not serious but in case you are, the point of the torrent is to keep the data available. You would have to download it and initialize a new repo with it and if you want you can host it wherever you like.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm big on pushing typo / indent fixes to famous repo in order to claim that I have worked on X, Y and Z in my CV

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need forge federation. Nintendo would never be able to delete forks on thousands of different servers

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been trying to wrap my head around a decentralized git so I can release a pokemon rom hack.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But git is decentralized by design... Just self host.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yet nobody is going to discover your repo as nobody knows your server

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most ROM devs use xdelta or other patches to get around it, so you don't include the ROM.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As another comment says, git is just the version control software. You mean a decentralized hub for sharing git repos I assume. Git hub/lab/whatever are just websites that share a link fundamentally. They also all store the data for your repo, but there's no reason that would need to be stored in the same place as the hub to find repos.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did not get a e-mail but my fork is gone. That can't be legal can it? I'm in the EU.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

It doesn’t matter where you are. The company is based in the US, so they’re required to follow local law

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why wouldn't it be legal?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah i tend to forget that github is in the US and their allmighty DMCA can be used to take down anything. i just have a hard time believing this shit would fly in the EU.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would, it has, next step after DMCA even in the EU is legal action, which nintendo already fought in court. I don't know about you but I'm not ready to defend someone else's code in court.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t know about you but I’m not ready to defend someone else’s code in court.

Errr... will you ever have to? Lol.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Again, why would it not fly in the EU?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Emulation isn't illegal, reversing encryption isn't illegal, software patents aren't valid in some countries.

That's for example why the US can't do anything about VLC "breaking" DVD encryption, as they are based in France and aren't doing anything wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Europeans actually care about their consumers.

Americans just view them as fat paypigs who are too stupid to fight for their own interests.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The EU tends to be much harsher in these matters, though some members don't follow along.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

With DMCA get uploader is supposed to get notified and get a chance to file a counter claim

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Glad the version of Yuzu I have downloaded is apparently a really good, performant, and stable one.

Bless these devs. They did god's work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I was one of them. Got the email from GitHub yesterday around noon. Took them long enough

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