Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.
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this post was submitted on 12 May 2024
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Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible
Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. "You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?" jose1324 isn't killing people for wearing them
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It's impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don't decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike
"Choose" is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it's a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it's a theocratic country, it's a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and "choosing" to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.
Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.
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Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.
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Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it's not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.
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Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding "no."
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Seriouslyβ¦. Who downvotes this????? Such a wholesome share!
Transphobic people.
AND islamophobic people.
I imagine the downvoters assume the post is making a point about Muslims in general, which it isn't.
It isn't Islamophobic thinking Muslims are transphobic, they are. Much like most of the world outside the West.
"most of the world outside the West".
Is this trans friendly West in the room with us currently?
Also countries like Thailand are culturally much more advanced on Trans acceptance.
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Westerners are transphobic.
If you wanna make broad generalizations about large groups of people with diverse beliefs, you don't get to turn around and exclude another group from broad generalizations just because you're included in it.
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No. People who don't think sexist religious conservative values should be applauded. This is basically orphan crushing machine material
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Liberal value = giving women the choice to decide whether or not they want to wear religious dress.
Anti-liberal value = removing that choice from them.
It's pretty straightforward. Freedom of choice has always been the liberal way.
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Yeah. Accept Muslims and support their rights. But fuck the hijab. No one should wear that sexist trash.
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No, it isnβt.
You can upload literally anything on this site and it'll be downvoted. Sometimes even for the content, usually just because creeps will go back through your history and downvote everything you've posted for a week or two.
I'm not worried about it, though.
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I'd cry
Forgive my ignorance but can anyone explain what happened in this interraction?
It would be against Islam for a woman to show herself (without a head covering) to a man she wasnβt married/related to. This isnβt true for woman and other woman. This person is trans and their friend treated them, through religious tradition, that she accepts her friend as a woman.
Which means, in effect, that their friend is saying "My belief that you are truly a woman is at least as strong as my belief in my god," which is an incredibly powerful way to validate someone's identity.
"male attendants with no desire" are also accepted, although I suspect that refers to eunuchs.
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A wholesome exchange based on the intersection of trans acceptance and religious misogyny!
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I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven't heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I'd like to know more.
In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they'll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.
Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.
Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it's better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.
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I wonder what her Imam would say to that.
Heaven forbid... are you implying that Muslim people perhaps aren't a brainwashed monolith that simply accepts anything spoken by those in authority?
Say it isn't so!
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That's a beautiful story. Love it.
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