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[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Well aktually, Johnny Cash issued a statement to the KKK telling them his first wife wasn’t black and appeared to have some racist attitudes in his youth, though he did come around later on and I wouldn’t say he was racist. Her heritage is described:

“In the image, Vivian, whose father was of Sicilian heritage and whose mother was said to be of German and Irish descent, appeared to be Black.”

Though in other images in the same article she doesn’t appear black at all, so I’m not sure. There seemed to be different attitudes about what was considered “black” in that time.

“The stress was almost unbearable. I wanted to die,” she [Vivian] wrote in her memoir. “And it didn’t help that Johnny issued a statement to the KKK informing them I wasn’t Black.” She did not think the campaign should have been dignified with a response.

So she may have been more upset that he responded at all, not necessarily being upset that he said she wasn’t black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/05/16/johnny-cash-first-wife-vivian-black/

[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Sicilians were sometimes "black" in the jim crow south. I couldn't find the citation, but at least one black dude avoided getting murdered after it was discovered the woman he was sleeping with was sicilian. I think the anecdote is from Isabelle Wilkerson's Caste.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Good old Italian racists would agree with this assessment nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Did you not read the end of the article you linked? His wife definitely had black roots, but it was a family secret.

Earlier this year, the mystery of whether Vivian was descended in part from Africans was finally resolved. In a February episode of the PBS show, “Finding Your Roots,” host and historian Henry Louis Gates Jr. presented Rosanne Cash with her DNA results and family genealogy. Vivian Cash’s maternal great-great grandmother was indeed an enslaved Black woman, Sarah Shields, whose White father in 1848 had granted her and her eight siblings their freedom and their passage into Whiteness, too.

Basically Vivian's great-great-grandmother was a black enslaved woman, and her descendents hid this fact to save themselves from Jim Crow laws.

It's possible she and Johnny knew but kept it quiet because they lived in the deep south in a time when it was scary to be in any way black. The 'one-drop rule' is still a thing for a lot of americans, after all. We know that Vivian wife was living in fear of the KKK whenever he went on tour. I would imagine he said whatever he had to say to keep her safe while he was away

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but I was responding the original posts claim that Johnny Cash came out and said his wife was black, which was the exact opposite of what happened. His wife being 1/16 African helps the claim that she had maybe a darker complexion I guess, it's hard to tell with most photos of her being in black & white or potentially colorized. I'm also 1/16 Native American and I really wouldn't claim that I'm actually Native American based off of that (though maybe some scholarships exist that say otherwise).

Her being 1/2 Sicilian may have had a bigger impact on skin-tone, but maybe the African great-great-grandmother was a well-known secret in her family and they tried to hide it as much as possible, I don't know. It's probably more important to ask, "Did she consider herself to be black?" Everyone has their own definition of it, but I've not seen anything that says that she actually considered herself as black, but it's also possible she tried to hide it early on given the racial climate at the time. Is the "One-Drop Rule" still valid here?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The one drop rule is absolutely central to this conversation. Whether or not she was dark-skinned was not why she had threats from the KKK, it's the fact that her complexion and facial features suggest black ancestry that made her a target.

One sixteenth black was still legally black in many States, and Tennessee, where they lived, was the first place to codify this. You're not wrong that her Sicilian heritage could have given her this complexion, but if her Black heritage was proven, as small as 1/16th might be, it would have made their marriage illegal under miscegenation laws. So he had a vested interest in keeping it quiet for both their sakes. He's still progressive and brave for embarking on such a relationship, if indeed be did know of her heritage

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

A few years ago, I visited Jamaica and was surprised to find out how much everyone there loves Johnny Cash. I was anticipating Bob Marley to be the big name, but it was actually Cash. Didn’t even know there was a connection between him and the country

He had a house there, which I had the chance to visit. I'm quite certain he spent most of his time there. Given his immense popularity in Jamaica, it would be shocking if Johnny Cash had held any racist views.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'm of Sicilian heritage and Cash's first wife, Vivian Liberto, would look perfectly at home at a family reunion.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They skipped the era of country music that was "I love my dog more than my wife, but don't ask me to choose between my dog and my truck"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I ain't even going to lie. That was my jam in the 80s.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's not just today, even his contemporaries kinda sucked and mostly didn't like him.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, just as an example -

Marty "Big Iron" Robbins released a song in 1966 called "Ain't I Right" that said people who came down to southern towns last summer to show people a new way of life were actually a bunch of secret Communists who didn't care about America and just wanted to sow discord.

Some context: in the summer of 1964, a bunch of civil rights activists went down to southern states to register people to vote for an event called "Freedom Summer," which led to them being harassed by local police and eventually at least 3 of them being murdered by the KKK. This was a huge headline dominating story that made the American mainstream actually start paying attention to the civil rights movement and start looking at how bad racism in the south had gotten, so Robbins was totally reacting to and trying to push against that change in popular opinion when he released that song.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, shit. That's going to put a little tarnish on my next FNV playthrough.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Don’t worry he’s not scoring royalties off your pip boy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Literal death of the author.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Well yeah, but I'll know.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He toured with Rockabilly artists more than other country singers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He's the only person in both the Country and Rock & Roll Halls of Fame. He was a Rock musician, not just a country one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I didn't know that! Awesome bit of trivia

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Just to watch him die

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you poor soul.

Here's the wikipedia, if you wanna read.

And here's a video about the history of slavery and its after-effects that is kind of relevant.

The tl;dr is that there were laws, like vagrancy (i.e. not having a job), that were vague and applied to "everybody" but realistically only applied to black people through legal jiu jitsu and selective blindness on the part of police. Sundown towns are known as such for that behavior. They were (are) very unwelcoming if you're not white.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow, that's some nice and cozy sounding name for such an atrocity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The name refers to "move on before sundown" - as in, if you're a minority and caught there after sundown, you'd be beaten or killed or both.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Black people who are passing through have to leave by sundown. There's still some small towns in the US with this expectation, although it's no longer written on signs.

[–] NotMaster 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or most of the towns in Oregon before the 1970s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Or Oregon at all before 1926.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

A town in the USA that the excluded non-white people from the community...coming from signs that warned non-whites saying "don't let the sun set on you in whatever city".