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[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (10 children)

What's the likelihood that this was an Israeli assassination?

[–] [email protected] 84 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's what my first thoughts were as well, but they were flying in some pretty nasty weather. Thick fog, high winds, in a remote forested mountain range. While it is entirely possible that the CIA and IDF may have collaborated on some impromptu helicopter modifications, I think the question is less "Who could have done this?" and is more "Why were they flying in those conditions?"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True, the weather was really bad in that area, but he was traveling in a 3-helicopter convoy, and only his helicopter crashed. Now, I'm not saying that it's impossible, or even improbable that it was an accident, but we can't really rule out sabotage at this point, especially considering how big of a target he had on his head from both the US and Israel. Personally, I really hope it was an accident. I mean, I shed no tears for that son of a bitch, but the ramifications if this was an assassination are unsettling.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

We can't rule it out, but Occam's razor says we should think of it as an accident right up until the moment where we find evidence for sabotage and an accident isn't enough anymore to explain it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The parallels with Kobe’s death are pretty eerie

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Definitely!

Widely regarded as one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, Iranian president Ebrahim Raisi won five NBA championships and was an 18-time All-Star, a 15-time member of the All-NBA Team, a 12-time member of the All-Defensive Team, the 2008 NBA Most Valuable Player (MVP), and a two-time NBA Finals MVP.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

This is the first time since joining Lemmy that I miss awards. This was funny as hell! Thanks for the chuckle.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

They would have won even more championships if Shaq hadn't insisted on eating non-halal meat during team meetings. You could cut the tension with a knife.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bunch of old dudes dying while using a notoriously risky mode of transportation in bad weather over tricky terrain, while the only thing pointing to Israel thus far is motive. I'd say low.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

...while flying in a helicopter introduced in 1968 and last manufactured in 1998 in a country that is sanctioned and most likely can't reliably get spare parts for it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Low. Unless they control the weather.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was it them that made the frogs gay?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

I think he's saying they would have to make fogs gray

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Wellllll...I have it on unreliable authority that Israel has a space laser, so weather control probably isn't out of the question......

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Let me introduce you to the "Jewish space lasers" theory of Marjorie Taylor Green.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unlikely, since helicopters are pretty dangerous (especially cold war era ones), have a single point of failure, and the accident apparently happened in bad conditions and in a mountainous region.

Also the Iranian president is more of a state figurehead than an actual ruler with the power to change the country. The Ayatollah is the one pulling the strings.

Don't even think Iran are going to blame this on Israel, as they would get clapped in a direct confrontation with the IDF, and they know it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Very low probability. You don't target head of country, that's very ungentlemanly in diplomatic world which can result in very severe repercussion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When did Israel act gentlemanly?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I have to bold the word 'diplomatic' for you to understand the context.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was it diplomatic to attack an embassy in another country?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

that's a deliberate geopolitical move to gain direct involvement of the US into the conflict by inciting retaliation from Iran. So they were expecting the repercussion.

It is a dick move but not as severe as attacking the head of the country. Just imagine during the WW2 the Allied assassinate the Japanese Emperor. It was a no go.

Man, If you hate someone, find a rational reasons for them to be hated. Not every wrongs can be linked to them. Use your head, not emotion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Extremely likely. These people getting upvoted by Israel's media farms below literally don't take into account the reach of Israel's special ops.

E: How much are you guys getting paid to be shills and spread misinformation? Keep burying facts in downvotes if that makes you feel better, but you're all terrible human beings for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't they blow it up? Seems like that's their usual choice, since it makes a statement, not subtle sabotage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Haven't you heard of Israel's secret operations? Look up the Mossad's history with things such as these:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/16/mossad-operations-false-passports

(Detailed Report Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: United Kingdom Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Newspaper Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY)

https://archive.org/details/mossadgreatopera0000barz

(Detailed Report Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL Country: USA MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Organization/Foundation Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY)

https://www.history.com/news/adolf-eichmann-nazi-capture-holocaust-trial-mossad

(Detailed Report Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED Factual Reporting: HIGH Country: United Kingdom MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Magazine Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY)

Full of undercover and sneaky operations. Not your typical "explosion". That's a narrative they try to spread to divert attention from their sneakier exploits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your prejudice is showing. It's actually YOUR country that goes around the world assassinating people in their own lands. But you guys like to throw the ball at someone else and pretend you're righteous. It's more likely to be you guys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's actually YOUR country that goes around the world assassinating people in their own lands.

Oh I don't live in the US.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Did iran just false-flag their own president?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

i mean maybe, but their actual leader is Supreme Leader Seyyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It must have been that Jesus nut!

They all went "Alah" and got fucked. They wake up at the Pearly gates, the guy, Peter, says.... "Sorry mate, it was actually Jesus, the correct answer was Jesus and you also didn't say it in the form of a question with an exclamation mark like this ⁉️."

What is Jesus!?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

hey man what are you using?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is Jesus!?

Apparently made up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago