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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But also: the GOP is absolutely a fascist organization.

The existence of other authoritarian regimes doesn't erase the existence of that one either.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

That's why it's valuable to call it Authoritarianism. It isn't about how money is spent or the social policies put in place - it's how the state responds to disagreement.

Democracies will have a path for public feedback to influence a review of the implementation of the policy. Tyrants impose a set of rules via force and tolerate no feedback.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But it is a prerequisite of fascism. It is not a prerequisite of socialism.

After the revolution everything is going to be so cooperative and voluntary and kumbaya, you guys

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True, it's not a prerequisite. But sadly, in reality, the left tends towards authoritarianism just as readily as the right. Because once you have consolidation of power and resources, whether in private or in government hands, you get corruption.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Exactly. I've seen it with faaaaaar too many tankies and even populist leftists. Instead of advocating for empirically-driven policy that would measurably improve the world, there's a ton of rhetoric about how we just need to punish capitalists/fascists/landlords/neolibs/billionaires/etc. harder to fix the world's problems.

At this point, I think it's just a deep-rooted flaw of the human psyche that we're just inclined towards trying to force our solutions through by punishing those who oppose us, rather than trying to deeply understand the dynamics at play and changing the underlying structure to incentivize the outcomes we want.

And if we fail to address the tendency towards knee-jerk, brute-force, authoritarian "solutions" to problems within our own ranks, we'll meet the same fate as every other revolution-turned-brutal-dictatorship.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's true. ML leans heavily on violent suppression.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Isn't the whole purpose of a state to have a monopoly on violence? Order is established when noncompliance results in pain, imprisonment, or death.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

No, but they are synonymous with it, married it, had children with it.

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