$2M each, right? Right?!
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I agree this seems low, but this is just a settlement with the city. Hopefully they'll get more from other organizations.
One of the many things that suck about these situations is that the money comes from the community, so they get the worst outcomes on both sides no matter what.
It comes from the insurance companies pocket to whom the community has been paying premium for a long time. It has been paid for such an eventuality. Maybe the premium might go up a bit but the whole amount doesnt come from communities pocket.
Communities will pay well over 2 million in increasing premiums assuming they can even get insurance after this.
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ITT: I never thought I'd have to tag users as "Uvalde Apologists"
Over 300 officer from state and federal.
There's more people to sue, is what I'm saying
What bothers me most about this is the huge amount of ignorance all sides have on this subject.
The issue IMO, is the fucking AR-15. Police Officers immediately went in when they knew there were problems, but when the subject had an AR-15 that could literally shoot through school walls (ie: Police Officers were outgunned and out-matched), they retreated.
Yes, there was a few hours where they were too scared to do anything, further traumatizing the children / teachers. But this is fucking it. Talk about the firepower and the tactical decision to retreat.
Handguns CANNOT compete against an AR15. The AR15 has superior power, penetration, and accuracy. The officers made the right decision to retreat, regroup, and further come up with a new plan initially. Though their cowardice in the face of the AR15 is what needs to be highlighted most of all.
There's nothing wrong with being scared of a bigger, more accurate, more powerful gun with more ammunition. If they truly were outgunned, then retreat was the best option (otherwise, officers would have died and that would have forced a retreat while carrying a slain officer around, a much harder task). Shit gets bad to worse in a combat situation if you don't outgun the opponent.
Dinky handguns won't do shit against the body armor of the attacker either.
This is literally the case where liberals need to come together, understand the mechanics of the gun involved and push for better gun control laws. If officers in Texas get outgunned and are forced to retreat, then support those officers and push for gun legislation. Everyone knows these bigger guns serve as cop-killers and ultimately fuck our society over. Just quit being dumbass snowflakes about blue-lives-matter or pro-Police stances or whatever.
Being pro-Police here AND anti-gun is the right move in this case. But instead, Liberals fuck over their own politics because they're too braindead to play their cards right.
Conservatives clearly care more about guns than Police Officers. Punish the Conservative view ya pansies.
The cops had AR15s, body armor, helmets, flash bang grenades, the works. They also outnumbered the shooter 376 to 1. The shooters vest had no armor plating.
Cool.
Now take that highly-penetrative AR15 and shoot it into a school building, knowing full well that the bullets will penetrate the walls and kill the people on the other side of the school.
Even when everyone has an AR15, the shooter still has the advantage, because he had the children hostage. There were also questions on whether the school was clear before any potential shootout (see the problem with AR15's huge amount of penetration: shooting through the attacker and hitting children in another room is a serious concern still even as SWAT arrives).
Even when you give everyone the works, the problem at play here was the AR15 in the hands of the shooter, which required the police to take a step back and rework tactics entirely.
Thinking from the perspective of the cops side will 100% give yall a ton of evidence and logical arguments to fuck up the pro-gun AR15 lobby. Just think damn it.
.223/5.56 will not penetrate a cinder block wall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Gp3hbTmXA
Among the tactical officers who responded were members of the Border Patrol’s elite Bortac team but they couldn’t get into the room because of a steel door and cinder block construction, The Wall Street Journal
Also, most cops carry AR15s or a similar rifle in their cop car.
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You have spoken in a clear, concise, and convincing manner. Well done! You've swayed this person.
And you are of course correct in your implication we need to begin design and production of the AR16 posthaste! A gun that shoot through 3 walls is the clear solution. Well done sir!
But in all seriousness you are correct. A nation littered with mentally unstable morons and high-powered rifles is a potently and predictably tragic way to be.
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If the cops can't figure out how to suppress and flank one guy they should resign.
Cops aren't warriors.
There's another bullshit thing we need to get rid of. Cops are NOT swat team. And the idea of a "Warrior-cop" is one of the worst fucking things in our culture right now.
Liberals have been asking cops to stand down and be more kind for the last decade and suddenly in this case, yall are asking them to be militant warriors again.
No. Leave the "warriors" to the SWAT team at best, and I'm not even convinced that SWAT is a good idea for all cities to have. Warrior-cop mentality is one of the worst things going on in this country right now, and I want to speak against it.
Cops aren't soldiers. They're supposed to be community members. In other countries, cops don't even carry guns.
Weird, I want cops to not strangle someone because they may have used a fake bill, or shoot someone because they were called there to help with a mental health crisis, or shoot someone because they busted into the wrong apartment, or to flash bang a baby.
But I suppose that means I want them to be kind to someone actively shooting kids.
The training sets up the mindset of the cops.
I don't believe any cop should get advanced weapon training unless they're explicitly assigned to SWAT and/or Riot control. And normal beat cops honestly don't deal with hyperviolent people often enough to deserve the mindshift or the training for violence.
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Nice straw-man, but if they can't take the heat they shouldn't be in the kitchen cooking. Uvalde cops went AWOL while children died and you're defending the AWOL cops against arguments that we're not making while lumping us all in as flip flopping liberals. Surprised some people know how the government works? They weren't anywhere close to war and guess what, war is worse. They wouldn't just stand there, they would run away.
The exact reason why the police refused to engage with the uvalde shooter is precisely because they spend every waking moment fantasizing about being Rambo and then they can't handle the adrenaline when there's actual lead in the air. They let the kids catch it all instead. These aren't men we're talking about anymore.
They aren't cops either if they dont have regular training in tactics and law and regulations.
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There is zero reason to be pro-police here.
And who gives a fuck about the weapon used. That does not excuse their lack of action.
Rightists always have such misguided takes.
The people defending the police here are literally saying that the children should fend for themselves in situations like this because it's too dangerous for the police.
Fuck. That. Noise.
The thin yellow line, everyone. Laugh and point whenever you see the blue stripe on the American flag. It's a joke.
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Guns aren't Yu-Gi-Oh where the highest attack power wins.
There’s nothing wrong with being scared of a bigger, more accurate, more powerful gun with more ammunition. If they truly were outgunned, then retreat was the best option (otherwise, officers would have died and that would have forced a retreat while carrying a slain officer around, a much harder task). Shit gets bad to worse in a combat situation if you don’t outgun the opponent.
Go to war? We can't do that, the other side have guns!
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TL;DR: ACAB
Police have all the tools in the world there is no excuse for their lack of action while children are being killed.
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STFU moron.
iT wAs JuSt A fEw HoUrS!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#
"There has been much debate of the allegedly poor performance of the bullet on target in regard to stopping power, lethality, and range. Some of this criticism has been used to advocate an intermediate-sized cartridge between the 5.56 and 7.62 NATO sizes."
The AR15 is typically chambered in .556, a medium sized cartridge typically pretty lacking in stopping power especially when compared to other popular firearms like the M1 Garand chambered in 30-06 much actually does penetrate much further that .556
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