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[–] [email protected] 119 points 10 months ago (7 children)

There's an innumerable number of reasons no one showed up, only one of which is that backwards time travel isn't possible.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's by far the most plausible but sure, if you ignore Ockham's razor, sure, it's only one of many explanations

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

More plausible than there being rules around time travel that involve not attending parties? I think not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

One such possibility is that you can only travel to times where the device you're using to do so exists.

More like a time gate than an H.G. Wells-style machine, but still a workable model.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe future people knew about his supposed ties to Epstein and didn't want to show up...

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They want you to believe that nobody showed up.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hawking concluded it is impossible because nobody showed up to his party. Zero thought was spent wondering if it was a party worth showing up to.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, now that I think of it more, I can't see a single good reason for a time traveler to show up at this party. Going back in time to prove the existence of time travel to the past has a very good chance of handing control of time travel away to people who can undo your existence without you ever being aware of it.

Even if you just wanted a conversation with one of the brilliant minds in physics, it would be smarter to pick a random lecture or non-time-travel-themed party.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Yes, or someone did show up despite knowing the risks because they trusted Hawking to understand the dangers of revealing the secret of time travel and not sharing it with any living soul. If time travel were to ever become possible and somewhat commonplace then the chances are probably close to zero that everybody chooses not to attend this party (assuming the invitation remains famous for long enough). Perhaps the party was crowded with people thinking the same way.

It's much more likely that it all just played out exactly the way Hawking said it did, of course. But it's a fun thought experiment to play around with.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That assumes time-travelers are smart. Never a safe assumption to make.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong:

I live in a timeline where time travel has not yet been invented. Even if someone invents it in the future and travels to the past to the party, that'd create an alternate timeline where the party is attended and civilization leaps bounds ahead in glorious post-scarcity, magical socialism fashion.

But nooooo since the timeline was forked at that point, no matter how many people do, in fact, attend the party, I'm stuck in the "strand" of the timeline when no one ever did because time travel has not been invented.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's different ideas on how time travel "could" work and one of them is the timeline-split notion upon which you base your idea. In that vain it's solid.

Other ideas are that time travel always results in a loop or that its perhaps only possible under very specific circumstances (ie you can't pick an arbitrary location or time to travel to nor to travel from).

My hunch is that even if time travel were possible there's simply no practical experiment to tell whether you are in a split timeline (and if so how it differs from others), aka it's outside of the realm of scientific // logical inquiry.

If y'all like exploration of time travel go watch the show Travelers some time. It has some interesting premises in that regard.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Eh, that's more science fiction than actual theory.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depends on how you see it. It could also be that for some reason or another even with backwards time travel no one shows up. And thus you avoid having a paradox

Or it could be like a time portal so once you build one you an travel back to any point it existed in but one to a point where it doesn't exist since you need time travel infrastructure

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or the technology for invisibility arrives before time travel so they were there, just undetected. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

rips bong

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My theory is, time travel is possible but humanity went extinct before we got to that point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Agreed. We are wiping ourselves out.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem is he only told us when it was, but not where.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

He did divulge the location afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine having time travel and wasting it on going to some nerd party.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it wouldn’t be like they waste any time, lol

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just because you can time travel, doesn't still mean you don't still age, get hungry, have limited energy to do stuff, ...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

me with the ability to time travel: but I'm tired

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Perhaps the time travellers came back as catering staff so they could polish it all off without having to engage in human interaction.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I mean when time travel is invented the story will change and we'll be reading about those visitors. Nobody has shown up at Hawking's party yet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's the point though. It doesn't matter when time travel is invented, only if it can be invented.

If time travel is possible even 10 000 years in the future someone would almost certainly show up at Hawking's party since they have a time machine.

The fact that no one showed up it's a reasonable argument that time travel is impossible

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

But you did not, in the future.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Well, it was a party, not an orgy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

[off topic]

"The Big Time" by Fritz Leiber is one of my all time favorite novels. His time travel works on the principle of 'The Law Of Conservation Of Reality." There's only one timeline, and it's possible to change it, but it requires a lot of work.

If you go back and kill baby Hitler, he'll come back to life and no one will remember anything. It takes vast armies fighting thousands of secret battles to change one thing. But when a Big Change hits, look out!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Or they found out about his time at Epstein Island and didn't wanna fuck w that

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So by the thought of infinite parallel universes though, shouldn't there then be at least some in which someone did attend?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pi is an infinite series of non-repeating digits, and yet you will never find the letter A in pi because there is a 0% chance of the letter A being a digit in a decimal system. By the same logic, infinite possibilities do not guarantee that every conceivable state occurs, if that conceivable state has a 0% probability. As finite beings, it is very difficult for us to accurately distinguish between a 0% probability and a infinitesimal probability, so we end up circling back to "we don't know"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

One the one hand you are correct.

On the other hand... Behold! An A in pi! https://www.spoj.com/problems/PIHEX2/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Haha, I figured it was 50/50 on whether I would get this comment or something about the ASCII representation of the letter A

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

That theory suggest that everything that can happen, will — but even then, things that can't happen, won't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It depends on the type of time travel rules. One theory suggest going back in time creates a branch in the time-space continuum, one where the time travel happened, one where it did not.

With this branching time-space rule, there's one timeline, where no time travellers appeared, and one where they did.

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