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There is no such thing as a right wing libertarian
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I'm serious
You’re correct. It’s a spectrum, not a line. Social and economic policy are two independent axes in defining political ideology.
Ugh
Go ahead and draw a line that encompasses these ideologies:
Libertarians support high social liberty and low economic support
~~Democrats~~ Liberals support high social liberty and high economic support
~~Republicans~~ Conservatives support low social liberty and low economic support
Edited to clarify ideology vs. party. My original labels caused a lot of confusion.
Republicans support … low economic support
Except for when it comes to GOP public office holders and corporations. In both those cases Republicans support high economic support.
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~~Progressives are more in support of authoritarianism than they realize. Censoring speech is authoritarian by definition. It’s the primary reason I don’t identify as one.~~
~~Edit: Consider putting the power, and setting the precedent, of subjectively altering the first amendment in the hands of this conservative SCOTUS. Is that really a great idea? Fascism arrives as your friend.~~
Second edit: It turns out that I’ve been misinformed about progressives supporting hate speech censorship. Sorry about the confusion. Have a good night.
Since when do progressives censor speech?
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Consider putting the power, and setting the precedent, of altering the first amendment in the hands of this conservative SCOTUS. Is that really a great idea? Fascism arrives as your friend.
Again, when have progressives done this? How are progressives responsible for how a conservative SCOTUS rules on First Amendment rights? Specifically, what legislation has been drafted by progressives that censor hate speech? I have yet to see anyone aside from social media, who have their own set of codes of conduct, be censored by the government over hate speech.
A perfect example would be how Republicans say the craziest racist shit and aren't censored for it. If anything, it gets plastered all over the news. So your logic is highly flawed, champ.
Literally everyone censors speech, and is fine with it. Everyone, with exceptions so scant that may as well not exist at all.
Laws that prohibit workplace harassment. Defamation. Laws that punish incitements to violence. Laws that punish fraud and confidence scams. Laws against insider trading. Even things like RICO. These are ALL, in varying forms, limits on speech that are basically uncontentious to most normal, well-balanced people. These are limits on speech so ubiquitous and accepted that people have actually somehow convinced themselves that somehow "free" speech is clearly categorically different than these other things even when it plainly isn't.
The only people sincerely for (edit: total) free speech are honest-to-god anarchists. True "free speech absolutists" basically do not exist, and when someone claims to be one it really just means they want to be able to get away with using racial slurs in public.
I completely agree, I was just thrown off by OP's statement that progressives censor hate speech since I am not aware of any legislation specifically passed that makes it illegal for the common person to make hate speech.
I don't think he's being sincere.
I was. I’m learning now that I’ve been misinformed. I’m very happy to be wrong about this.
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Second edit: It turns out that I’ve been misinformed about progressives supporting hate speech censorship. Sorry about the confusion. Have a good night.
No, you were LIED to by malicious actors trying to turn you against people who are, at least broadly speaking, more aligned with your goals than against. There is a reason communists historically kill social democrats before going after fascists, because they're afraid of diluting power between similar parties. They want sole power so badly they are willing to risk fascists getting it if they think it gives them a better chance.
Then here you come with "sorry I've been misinformed" like it was an innocent mistake. Either you know you're acting in bad faith or you're uncritically regurgitating what others have told you in bad faith. The people telling you that stuff are not your friends, they are just manipulators who want to stir shit between two groups fighting the same enemy.
So you weren't misinformed, you just fucked up, try taking some personal responsibility and go back to figure out where you went wrong and who you should be trusting.
Ok, then I fucked up. I wasn’t protecting my pride. I was legitimately misinformed, and haven’t had this conversation until now. Call it whatever you’d like. Your opinion of me is of no consequence.
Most of my friends are liberals, some are republicans, others libertarians. I haven’t been close with my progressive friends since I used to tour with Phish in the ‘90s. Lol
Sometime around ten years ago, I distinctly recall reading articles and seeing videos of progressive politicians calling for censorship. In hindsight, that was leading up to the mass disinformation campaigns of the 2016 election, so it makes sense how I could’ve made the mistake of consuming media at face value. I remember centrists began referring to progressives as “the regressive left” due to the initiative. None of those calls came from Bernie, so I still voted for him in the primary, but it certainly turned me off to the ideology.
As I said, I’m happy to have learned otherwise. I’ve been supporting progressive ideals since the ‘90s. That hasn’t changed, only my comfort identifying as one.
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Kennedy was eliminated in the first round of voting after receiving support from 19 delegates, or just 2.07% of delegates.
Earlier, Libertarian Party Chair Angela McArdle had ruled that former president Donald J. Trump was not even qualified to be considered for nomination because he did not submit the proper nominating papers. Trump, however, received six write-in votes -- defeating Stormy Daniels, Denali the Cat, and Sean Ono Lennon.
I mean, if it was Stormy v Biden, we might have us a horse race . . . But it ain’t.
Good. He should be rejected by everyone. First libertarians boo Trump, then they reject Brainworm.
They were right twice in the same 24 hour period. The adage about broken clocks is true.
It's really the end times when Libertarians seem like the more well-adjusted, rational crowd compared to Republicans.
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... If they set up a hologram of John McAfee, with Ai voice mod, like a VTuber sort of, I am 100% certain it would win.
Eh, he lost the nomination every time he ran iirc
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Yo know you fucked up when the people normally telling everyone to shhhhh are making noise by booing you.
It's too bad the worm didn't have what it took to finish the job.
I wish this was cause for hope, but polls are still showing Trump neck and neck usually with a 2% lead over Biden. It's really going to come down to at least two, probably three, swing states. Given that some of them allow the EC vote to be split, there is even a possibility of a Tie.
The last couple of elections have shown the polls to be unreliable with a distinct bias favoring Republicans in appearance. Last I heard the popular theory was boomers are more likely to answer random calls and have time for a bunch of questions.
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Whatever happens will happen. We don't have control over the outcome only our efforts. Do what you can now to fight for what you believe. Stressing over polls doesn't help.
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Wait, then who will be their nominee? Will we finally have one, even minor, candidate that is anti-genocide?
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They're clearly Bernie Bros, all of them
Libertarians?
It's an obvious joke, but Bernie actually did pretty well in that crowd. A lot of libertarians are ultimately just rural voters who think anything out of Washington is the enemy, and thus anything anti-establishment is on their side.
That's some wishful thinking nothing libertarian about it though
That's libertarianism in a nutshell, though. A political ideology founded from liberalism which claims to reject all of liberalism while also being just the same as liberalism embraced by people who actually kind of hate liberalism. It's a lot of very confused voters registered to that party.
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Democratic socialists have quite a lot in common with real libertarians.
Just not in regards to what these chuckleheads think is the most, and usually only, important human right.
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