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[–] [email protected] 192 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Doctor: I have consulted decades of scientific literature to diagnose your ailment and provide a treatment plan based on humanity's continually improving understanding of the biochemical workings of our bodies.

Chiropractor: I have consulted a book written by D. D. Palmer in 1895 who was a magnetic healer, anti-vaccine, and anti-medicine. He says you have ghosts in your bones and it's messing with your natural healing powers. I'm gonna crack your back now. Yes I'm a doctor. Well not a doctor doctor, but you know.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I went to doctor school, one of the best in the country it was in!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You graduated in the top 100% of your class?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Not the medical kind...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

And yet the chiropractor is the one who can provide you with immediate relief. If you've ever had a fucked up back or neck and pinched nerves, then you really understand how helpful a chiropractor can be. Are they the solution for everything? Of course not. Do they greatly help people who are in pain? Absolutely. My doctor has never provided me with any actual treatment for my back, just drugs. The chiropractor actually treats the symptoms and the causes, and it's usually immediate and long lasting relief.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago

That immediate relief can then be compounded by never fixing the fucking problem.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago

My doctor sent me to physical therapy for a month and I haven’t had any issues for almost a year.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

lol "never provised me with any actualy treatment for my back, just drugs" do you not realize that drugs... actually do things? are you really going to discount what a good anti-inflammatory agent can do for certain injuries? what pain-killers do for pain? treating inflammation and pain in itself is treating a "root cause" in a way, with recovery being expedited when inflammation is treated not to mention drugs that are more powerful than a simple anti-inflammatory agent

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And yet the chiropractor is the one who can provide you with immediate relief.

So does heroine.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I bet they also told you to excercise and strecg your muscles while gibing the drugs...

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Gonna be completely honest: a chiropractor saved my life.

I experienced an injury and literally couldn't walk for 3 months. Three doctors kept ignoring my pain and thought I was exaggerating. They kept treating me like a drug-seeker and I couldn't afford more visits due to be uninsured & now unable to work. They also would not refer me to a physio/physical therapist without more appointments and several expensive tests.

A chiropractor gave me an initial "adjustment" and I was finally able to hobble for a few minutes without collapsing. But I could not afford more appointments.

The pain and anguish went on for over 2 years. I was literally on the verge of killing myself by the end of it.

Finally.. my dear mother referred me to another chiropractor and offered to pay for a few appointments. I was at the point of ending it anyway, so I figured "why not?"

I went in, the guy took x-rays, and informed me that one of my vertebrae was lodged in my pelvis, pinching so many nerves, he was surprised I was even standing. He said he'd see me again to assess me, then the third appointment he would hopefully be able to help.

To keep this from being any longer, he fucking fixed it. Over 2 years of near unbearable pain, and he cured it. I could walk upright. I could reach upward. I could reach the floor. I could hug my kid again.

He then told me to come back at least 3 times per week to keep everything in shape and I was like "lol no". To be fair, I did 3 more appointments to make sure this wasn't a fluke, but after that, I researched everything with a mind clear of pain and figured out how to heal and maintain.

Am I stupid for going to a chiropractor? No. I was poor. I was desperate. Did it help? Yes. Would I recommend them to others? Fuck no. They're predatory in the way they maintain their "patients". Swear to god, I'm pretty sure he tried to fuck something up in my shoulder to get me to return later.

But don't blame all folks who go to chiropractors. Some don't have much of a choice.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Those doctors sound awful. It's hard to imagine them at least not taking an X-ray if you came in telling them you have acute pain due to an injury, and why tf wouldn't they refer you to PT? Glad you're better

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah it's absolutely crazy that a chiropractor was the first person to think of X-raying chronic back pain.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Shit, I have back pain a lot less severe than this fella and my primary care straight up referred me to an MRI at my first appointment, which wasn't even primarily about my back. Doctors should have to maintain an empathy license.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Fyi, you have (had) a decent malpractice suit against the first doctors, if you care to entertain that.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My newborn was having issues with reflux that affected their sleep. A mother in our support class recommended going to see an infant chiropractor for an adjustment.

I couldn't believe my ears, and I probably made an enemy by outright asking why the fuck you would let a chiropractor crack the back of your 4 week old baby.

It amazes me how commonplace chiropractics are, and how people put a lot of faith in them before trying anything else.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When someone offers you a panacea that requires 0 effort and is popularly accepted, it's pretty appealing. Especially if you're scientifically illiterate and don't know why it's bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I heard something similar when mine was a newborn and had the same appalled reaction. Luckily it wasn't in person - I read it in a random thread when looking something up. Might have been on reddit?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago

The con doesn't work without confidence.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (13 children)

I need something clarified by someone who doesn't go to a chiropractor and never has.

I've heard it's all bullshit from multiple sources over the years. I've heard they aren't even doctors most of the time and that there's no empirical evidence that supports chiropractic practitioners at all.

Every attempt to research this is met with thousands of results from low quality sources all singing its praise.

So is it bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

It's bullshit.

It was invented in 1895 by a guy who thought health issues were due to nerves not trasmitting enough energy in the body, which could be fixed by his new fangled snake oil medicine.

"A subluxatrd vertebra is the cause of 95 percent of all diseases, the other 5 percent is caused by displaced joints other than those in the vertabral column"

  • A real quote from Daniel David Palmer, beekeeper, school teacher, grocery store owner, magnetic healing spiritualist, metaphysicist, and world's first Chiropractor.
[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hi I'm an MD. Technically their schooling is not founded on solid science. In reality, most of them provide beneficial services for patients via massage, muscle stimulators, or gentle manipulation. I do not condone the aggressive spine cracking maneuvers of some chiropractors. As with most things in life, it's all very dependent on the individual in the room.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

very dependent on the individual in the room.

As in, "if it's a chiropractor in the room, you're rolling dice with your spine and your wallet."

Fuck those charlatans.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm an osteopathic medical student and I will tell you that chiropractic practice is all bullshit. It was invented by a guy who claims he got the information from ghosts, and their education doesn't cover a fraction of what gets covered in nursing school, let alone medical school.

If you're interested in manipulative treatment, look for an osteopathic physician because our training is everything that MDs do plus the osteopathic manipulative medicine that's based on studies of anatomy and clinical trials.

Chiropractors are the ones that paralyze people and kill them by dissecting vertebral arteries. At best, their treatment will do nothing to help and just make crunchy noises, at worst, their techniques can kill you.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Depends, some will message you, if you're there for muscle related therapy or some kind of physical therapy they do, that's pretty reasonably effective, but popping your bones is a very temporary kind of relief, and sometimes it can cause major health problems. It's a lot of risk for a half hour of relief a Tylenol might have equally helped with.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I need something clarified by someone who doesn't go to a chiropractor and never has.

Why would somebody who's never been to a chiropractor be the best person to ask whether or not it's bullshit? If this is how you find out if something is true, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening, and probably sooner than later.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Because of confirmation bias.

If everyone who goes to a chiropractor says it's good but all evidence says otherwise then I need an outside opinion without the confirmation bias.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I was recently reading a blog post by a generalist doctor (Baptiste Beaulieu). His kid, a baby (so no possible placebo effect, right?), was having trouble sleeping. His companion not being a doctor, wanted to try a baby chiropractor. Needless to say, he was very dubious about the whole thing, but nothing in his medical training was helping.

Twice they went and twice the chiropractor essentially lightly touched the baby here and there and done (no cracking anything!). Yet for months afterwards the baby would sleep soundly.

There are countless such anecdotes, but rarely anything scientifically reproducible. Ie, it's that baby chiropractor who's doing it. And he can't tell what exactly he did, so that BB could reproduce the effect, despite being a trained doctor.

It's as fascinating as it is infuriating for people who've dedicated their lives to studying medecine (amongst them, my father and my wife).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are countless such anecdotes, but rarely anything scientifically reproducible.

These are called coincidences. If you take the baby to the chiropractor and the baby suddenly gets well, of course you're going to talk about it! That doesn't mean that the chiropractor had anything to do with it. What's the chiropractor's success/failure ratio?

Also, the idea of a "baby chiropractor" squicks me out. Maybe this one only lightly touched the baby, but I've heard horror stories about them harming babies. People think "Oh, the worst that can happen is that nothing changes." No, the chiropractor can make things worse.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

my sister has a dog chiropractor. she takes her dog two every other month for $50.

dog was having issues with certain sitting positions and randomly yelping in pain. vet didn't do anything, but the chiropractor does something and the dog no longer has pain and isn't yelping anymore.

it's bullshit, but it's bullshit that works for some people. just like lonely depressed people stop being so once they find god or some other 'purpose' in their lives. and it doesn't work for others.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Are there good people to see for back pain? Because I feel like looking for that is gonna turn up chiropractors as well and I'm not so sure I should even trust them with that shit.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Physical therapists! I swear by physical therapy. I had sciatica for about a year, and after a few weeks of physical therapy, it was 100% gone.

The doctor I went to before that said basically "lose weight and come back in 6 months". My first PT session, the therapist did some deep tissue thing to my lower back and (temporarily) made the pain go away almost completely. She was like "Yeah you have an injured muscle that tenses up weird now, do these exercises at home and it should clear up" and ended up being 100% right.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Probably some combination of doctors and a physical therapist. A good general practitioner should be able to refer you to someone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Physical therapy is what I use for my neck and back pain. They do massage then work the muscles and give out exercises for me to do at home.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure, but I do know that everyone I've ever known to go to a chiropractor for back pain has had poor results. Relief for a few days, then booking their next appointment, rinse and repeat, until eventually they stop wasting money on it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Chiropracty is the equivalence of some random Joe seeing someone doesnt doesnt have a pulse and pulling the cable out of a lamp to shock them.

Sure it may cause a localized release of endorphins that may make the pain temporarily subside, but like using a defibrillator without knowing the patient's heart rhythm, you'd carry a huge risk of doing more harm than good

Eta: Forgot to add that physical therapy would be the first stop. If there is damage that may need medical intervention, it would be an orthopedist.

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