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I'm all for banning toxic players and cheaters, but the fact that they make you install a rootkit on your system to enable this is too much.
You have the option not to play the game though. It is not like they force anyone with a gun to install this rootkit.
If someone doesn't know what a rootkit is or why it's bad, then they can't give informed consent to it. It's not a free choice for 90% of players.
I didn't downvote you, but you pretty much are repeating what OP said.
"I won't play this game!"
"Well, nobody is forcing you."
Yep, that's pretty much the same thing.
Nobody is forced with a gun to play a game with a toxic community either, does that mean it's not worth complaining about? Perhaps the article should mention the supposed tradeoffs required to police such a community. I say supposed because I've played far less toxic games than Vallorant and League that don't require such invasive software. Perhaps Riot should do some introspection and ask why the games they make foster such bad behavior instead of harming nontoxic players with their policing methods.
“People are too sensitive today” types are deliberately missing the point. Online is pretty much the only place where you can get away with spouting slurs or psycho shit. You wouldn’t do it in public or get away with most of it in public.
More to the point it's just tiring having these types come into a lobby. They generally don’t (or can’t) play properly or fuck around until someone calls them out. They then start on that person or spamming the N word.
More often than not it feels like they try to frame it as “oh ho, people can’t handle my casual use of slurs, snowflakes”. When more likely is if you’re talking and behaving like that generally it means you’re obnoxious and disruptive to the game.
spouting slurs or psycho shit
Psycho is a slur.
I’ll take your word for it since I’m using as a shortened form of psychopathic in the literal sense, which is wrong anyway since I mean sociopath.
I've played in both valorant and csgo communities and after a year or so of valorant I came back to csgo. Maybe in some regions of the world or in lower ranks things may be worse but on csgo I felt pretty welcome everywhere. Sure we would talk shit and curse and maybe some random asshole griefer would ruin the game but I never liked valorant too much. I guess you kinda have to experience it to understand.
Edit: also, valorant is basically rootkit and I'm not running that on my computer, and couldn't if I wanted to (I use arch btw)
It's so interesting that there are comments about how people can mute/block people if they get harassed, but nothing about the people doing the actual unhinged harassment. It seems personal responsibility only should be for the victims of harassment...
On the topic itself, I actually know someone who works at Riot that is working on their "player management" tools, and the amount of data they have driving these is fascinating. The datasets they have are global, and aside from Vanguard, apparently there are certain toxicity trends that are so niche (in the Chinese servers, for example), you have to tune for the other server data sets for it (they weren't really clear on how this works).
I really wish I could see what the backend of this tech is like, very few games have 10+ years of player and esports data to train their LLM/AI models.
People are too sensitive nowadays, but some people also take things too far with their insults
Did you even listen to what was said? Insults are one thing but alluding to rape and then saying it's not rape if the rapist enjoys it. Is on a whole different level of depravity.
I didn't listen to the clip, no
But yeah, that person needs serious help if that's what they said
In this video, you hear her say she's not going to mute him for the content. She has the tools to solve the problem. But she chose not to use them.
EDIT Also she deleted the full clip and video from her Twitch. Nothing funny going on here.
Her saying she isn't going to mute him doesn't give him the go ahead to say the things he did.
Could this be a publicity stunt? Sure. Does any of this make what he said ok? No
This is a publicity stunt. All she had to do is to mute him. But she didn't and made a tweet about it. Now she haves gaming journalists writing articles about her.
EDIT She could have talked to Riot Games support without making the tweet. But she didn't.
How do you know? Getting publicity for this isn't a bad thing, no matter how you try to make it out to be. Sit down.
That doesn't solve the problem.
“When you to tell someone to ‘just mute comms’ to avoid harassment, you are essentially putting the harassed person in a position to not communicate,” said Donlon. “To compromise how they want to play the game to accommodate you.”
“Competitive games need to have room for banter. We believe this, and I do understand the fear that we will sanitise gaming by ‘over-addressing’ these issues,” Donlon continued. “We have no interest in doing that. But we do believe that a person should not have to be in a position to ‘grow a thicker skin’ or whatever other unhelpful suggestions have been thrown out there just to avoid threats of violence or literal hate-speech.”
It seems all you are trying to accomplish in this thread is to let assholes continue to ruin the experience for others by forcing the victims into silence. No, ban the assholes instead. Easy solution.
Did you even read what they wrote? "Some people go too far with their insults." What you described is literally going too far.
What was said wasn't an insult. "Your momma...." are jokes, "you suck do bad..." are insults. Tbagging a dead body is an insult.
Implying you are going to rape someone and then saying it's not rape because you would enjoy it isn't a typical "insult".
So yeah i read what they said. It just didn't really apply to the situation.
Yeah, can't have people just growning thicker skins ... they should have to buy them via micro transaction!
Halo 2 never had a mute function and people survived.
That's just survivor bias. Gaming spaces are better when harassment is punished.
Do you really want the standard of life to be a halo 2 lobby? Halo 2 lobbies were full of bigotry of all types. We can and do, do better.
Can people mute and block other players in the game? If so, just use the tools you have.
The problem is you know you have to mute them/ block them after they say/ do something bad to you. When you block them it may stop them from doing that to you but it doesn't stop them from doing it to others on the game. Making it a bad experience for others.
Mute/personal blocks do not fix the root problem which is the toxic players being toxic in the game.
Ideally, enough mutes/blocks and that person would get a manual review.
I don't like automated bans because they often have false positives.
I 100% agree with enough mutes/blocks leading to a manual thing.
Automated bans are not great but they have a time and place. Theoretically they are getting better.
My point is something should be done about these things. I don't have the answers, but something needs to be done.
Automated bans just lead to harassment and false positives. There should only be manual review on human-operated accounts.
If you're driving down the road and someone throws shit in your face from the sidewalk can you just not roll up the window? If so, just use the tools that you have.
Lots of people in the comments self-reporting their habits in games with voice chat... yikes...
No one should play Valorant or any Riot game in the first place