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[–] [email protected] 97 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's insane how we've relied far too long on a sort of gentleman's agreement around presidents and congress and all. I don't think the founding fathers could have EVER anticipated the amount of corruption that could occur.

If the orange turd did one thing, it's to lay bare how truly exploitable and corruptible the ruling class can be. I mean, we all know it was bad but he truly showed by bad (and open) it could get. And how nothing whatsoever would be done about it...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's like this in many countries. In the UK we've never had to deal with people being held in contempt of parliament, but in recent years we've seen corruption and a blatant disregard for "rules" that would have made politicians sick a decade ago. It's at a point where the UK has considered a constitution to ensure that anyone caught being openly corrupt or breaking the rules can be arrested.

Many right-wing politicians have shown that the rules have been lax for a very long time, and IMO it's a sign that perhaps we as a society need to seriously look at how we stop the right (and perhaps even the left) from abusing their power without consequence.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem isn't that a convicted felon can be president, the problem is that a convicted felon can't get other jobs and vote. We should stop dehumanizing felons.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But I want to keep dehumanizing Trump.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are plenty of other reasons to do so

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well considering he's remorseless about his crimes and plans to commit more, I think maybe it's fine to keep on them for this too. It's also not like he's served his debt to society.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

He's not planning to commit crimes, he's planning to legally perform unlawful acts.

The former is your typical burglar. The latter is literally Hitler.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago

It makes sense that elected officials can't be banned from serving for crimes, excepting ones like treason and other major ones. Otherwise it would be far too easy for a party in power to simply charge, arrest and convict people over more minor crimes to prevent representation. Also why congress people can't be arrested, excepting felonies, on their way to Congress. It'd be too easy to stop government by simply arresting people frivolously.

But the counter for Trump is already in the Constitution: a speedy trial. Fucker should be in prison already and prevented (via 14th) from being elected.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

to be able to run for president even if you're convicted is a good thing.

though in lots of places in the US you can't vote for the president. seems ridiculous that you can be one. both should be allowed.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I get it, a DUI is felony, and shit happens. However, 34 felonies, dealing with attempting to influence an election that got you the presidency, and paying off a porn star that you had sex with while your pregnant wife was at home, should ban you from the presidency. Jan 6th should have done that and put his ass up on the gallows, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

paying off a porn star that you had sex with while your pregnant wife was at home

Let's focus on the important parts, not play morality police as if Stormy Daniel's profession or Trump's marital status make the crimes worse. Let's not sink to the level of the hypocritical authoritarians of the Christian Right or the equally hypocritical tabloid press.

You're right about everything else, though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Banging a pornstar isn't the problem.

Paying off a pornstar on the eve of an election with the intent to influence that election and then falsifying business records to cover up the payments, is a problem.

It's less a morals thing and more actual crime things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The right want to bring church and religion into politics. They worship tRump as a "christian". Cheating on your pregnant wife isn't very christian. I mean no disrepect to stormy or anyone that does any kind of work like her. It should be legal. The only thing I will give her shit for is for is she fucked tRump, which had to be rather disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ummm.... A DUI is a misdemeanor, unless it's like your 3rd or 5th one in X number of years, depending on jurisdiction. I got a DUI years ago. I'm not a convicted felon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Must depend on the state then or they changed it since you got yours. It's a felony here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Damn. I looked it up, and apparently New York, and New Jersey, ~~and Wisconsin~~ are the odd states that even a first time DUI is a felony. Everywhere else it's generally charged as a misdemeanor for your first three, and the fourth is a felony.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was hoping for an actual list of jobs he is barred from in the posted link, but it's just another dime-a-dozen article on Trump's conviction and riddled with ads.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

He can't get most normal jobs. Every job application has a part where you have to admit if you're a felon and then do background checks. He also can't rent in almost any place owned by a corporation instead of an individual. It's actually a serious problem for non-violent and/or actually reformed ex-cons which don't their time. But the incarceration industrial complex and the government that allows it don't care, it's just punish and forget. Then the rich felons like the Orange scrotum are unaffected and just get gigs in politics, sell books, expensive speaking jobs, become talking news heads, and all kinds of other disruptive, cancerous blights.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't trust a person like that around percocet, but nuclear codes are a-ok!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Nuclear Percocet is a maybe. And also a pretty good band name.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Well, humanity NEEDS nurses, clowns not so much.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump can’t work for a casino in Illinois or a vet in Indiana, in pest control in North Carolina, he can’t sell a car in Mississippi, or work in any healthcare setting in Virginia.

Even in New York, if he wanted a real estate brokers license, he would need permission from the secretary of state.

In Florida, he can’t be a firefighter or legally tend bar at his Mar-a-Lago compound; Florida law prohibits bars from employing bartenders who have been convicted of a felony within five yea

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

None of those jobs should exclude ex convicts. The president is a job that should.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

The voting populace should be smart enough to not vote in a convicted felon in most cases, but it shouldn't exclude you from running. Else felony convictions could be used as a political tool to bar your opponents from running.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That would lead to false charges against political opponents or lead to laws that declare certain things as a felony to prevent certain populations from office.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could you imagine him as your fucking nurse? He’s calling you a loser and stinking up your room while you lay there with a broken leg.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Who the fuck cares. While liberals are obsessed with Trump, Biden is still helping slaughter Palestinians, we still cant pay our bills or our rent and homelessness is still growing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Somehow you expect Biden to reverse or ameliorate all these economic situations... or you somehow didn't expect Trump to do all these yet you expect Biden to. Trump said he would accelerate the slaughter.. you still had bills to pay when he was president (you expect the president to help you with your bills?), rent and homelessness is supposed to be fixed with cooperation from state, center, and landlords. The last of them are still greedy as ever regardless of presidents so I don't generally expect that the president can do much. Even in this regard Biden is at least trying to fight the republican controlled congress and SC to pass student debt forgiveness.

When Biden tries you all cry that he isn't doing anything while the republicans block any attempts in each step of the way.

When Trump does anything you all cheer his shitty behavior that hurt you more as a common man than as a conservative.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

you expect the president to help you with your bills

A UBI could help here, but yeah obviously the president can't unilaterally implement one, especially with the Republican party controlling the house.

Anyway, agreed with your overall point. People seem to think a president is a dictator that can just ram through policy and not just one person within a broader system. Maybe that's why anti-democratic (small 'd') sentiment appears to be increasing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I don't think the person you're responding to is a Trump supporter. I think they're critiquing the vast amounts of political energy people put into supporting and justifying a genocidal state and its leaders.

Your entire comment exemplifies this perfectly. There's obviously a lot of time and effort you've put into forming your electoral views, and you obviously spend a good deal of time going around, at the very least online, trying to inform people how to make better decisions inside the electoral sphere.

This is exactly what electoralism tries to drive in people. The expenditure of political capital within acceptable bounds. Before electoralism/liberal democracies, political capital accumulated and was then spent on strikes, riots, or revolutions. Things that are much more effective at driving change per political capital spent.

There are literally millions of people like you in America that could all immediately stop all your expenditure of political capital and it would make actually no material difference. That's a beautiful thing about electoralism (for those in power), the thing that matters is the differential, not the total expenditure. This is why "swing states" exist.

I'll put it into concrete terms, imagine the amount of electorally active individuals in America was immediately cut in half. The population remains the same, but exactly half of the current voting population stops voting. Assume all ratios remain the same. There'd be fundamentally no difference in material outcomes.

Now imagine if all current political capital was spent towards strikes, unions, revolution, or really any form of politics outside electoralism. Doubling or halfing this engagement would be massive. Real material outcomes would be different if there were thousands more strikes. What doesn't matter is if the voting population is 150 million, 90 million, or 10 million. Only the differential matters, and only for determining a fixed binary outcome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Wait, your landlord doesn't let you pay your rent with deported immigrants? Wild.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That ratio though.

On a social media platform. Rust leans presently far left- you STILL manage to get downvoted into the dirt.

Maybe it’s because of the sheer volume of misinformation you share- like this nonsense here, or maybe it’s just because you’re seemingly wrong more often than not.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I don’t think someone who has committed and found guilty of any crime should be eligible to be president. I understand that can have consequences related to the broken criminal justice system, but with a country of almost 400mill people we can find some good candidates that aren’t convicted felons.

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