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It was nice knowing Raspberry Pi while they lasted. Going to suck losing something that has changed the homegrown embedded system hobby forever.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 320 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sooner or later capitalism ruins everything.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Then it's a good thing that no countries have pure capitalism for their economy.

We need regulation on corporations to keep them in check.

[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 126 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can’t wait till those regulations get enforced.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

If you're having trouble finding when it is enforced you can look at websites like this one that list out the many cases brought up against companies (for the U.S. at least).

http://ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings

[–] jojo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

then it's a good thing that no countries have pure capitalism for their economy

America: 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (8 children)

America doesn't have a pure capitalist economy.

A pure capitalist economy would have a free market system with no government intervention.

Almost every country has a mix between capitalism and socialism for their economies.

A pure capitalist economy is terrible just as much as a pure socialist economy would be terrible.
The trick is finding the right balance between the two.

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Government doing things ≠ socialism.

Government regulating things ≠ socialism

Roads and parks ≠ socialism

Socialism is based in the collective ownership of companies by the workers who make everything happen, rather than execs and managers. Socialism isn't when government does stuff or when healthcare.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Youre thinking of laissez-faire capitalism, maybe even libertarian capitalism?

America is absolutely capitalist in every sense of the term. The entire nation is corporatized and the government has no particularly influential anti-capitalist entities. Both competing parties are capitalist. The social framework by which we raise children is structured to indoctrinate them into the ideologies of neoliberalism and American economic exceptionalism. The propaganda that American society is meritocratic is enforced throughout our entire lives, all with the aim of suppressing the class consciousness of the working class.

People are responding to you with derision because what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Capitalism and socialism are not based entirely on hard rules. They're both economic ideologies and social philosophies packaged into cultural frameworks. America is actively anti socialist. They have a very long history of anti communism and anti workers' rights. America is the holotype of post-Reagan neoliberal capitalism. It is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of wealth disparity and income inequality. It is one of the least regulated economic powers in history, with it being open knowledge that billionaires rule the country and can essentially do anything they want without facing any kind of material consequences.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 194 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And so begins "Line must go up" and the inevitable enshittification .

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 60 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That began in 2020 for them.

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm willing to bet they'll start adding telemetry features in RPiOS for "quality purposes" a few years from now.

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They already have that proprietary and opaque GPU that has full memory access akin to the Intel ME, and its programming is very difficult to audit. There has been something quite fishy about them ever since they left their educational mission behind after the Pi 1 and went for-profit.

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[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 96 points 9 months ago (1 children)

AI nonsense privacy disrespecting "feature" coming next week

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 39 points 9 months ago

Announcing: Raspberry pi recall

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 89 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, expect nothing more than enshitification. That way, if they don't enshitify like every company does, then we'll be pleasantly surprised.

[–] Masamune@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The nice thing about being a pessimist is that you are always either right, or pleasantly surprised.

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[–] LazyBane@lemmy.world 82 points 9 months ago

Tech companies as soon as they are publicly traded:

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 79 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Let the enshitification begin!

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[–] UnaSolaEstrellaLibre@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago

They've crossed the event horizon of enshitification.

[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Everyone here seems pretty negative on this news. Any particular reason?

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 224 points 10 months ago

Going publicly traded fucks every company up with nextquarter-itis.

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 164 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mostly that IPOs put companies into 'infinite growth mode' which is obviously impossible, so their product just degrades over time. They can't just do 'good enough' anymore.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 65 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Also the reason why every company that is consistently 'good' is run privately. If you answer to nobody but yourself you have a lot more room for long term plans

[–] grue@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The real sad thing is that you and the person you replied to are talking like "publicly traded" and "private" are the only two options, because worker cooperatives are so rare everybody forgets about them.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For me anything "private" just means you can't buy shares publicly. Worker cooperatives would be included in that (since you need to be a worker to own a "share")

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[–] Addv4@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Raspberry pi foundation was launched as a charity, and the end goal was to produce a ton of very cheap computers to help children learn about programming. Since then, it has been soo ubiquitous for embedded stuff that for the last couple of years they have basically become unaffordable for the very audience they were intended for. Now they are seeking an ipo because they are used in everything, except as cheap computers for children.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 78 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Every time a company goes public, they become more and more profitable until the only way to continue on that trajectory is to worsen their own product.

Think they'll still be selling the Pico for $4 or the Zero for $15 after they're reporting to shareholders?

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Big pharma companies jack up the prices of life saving medicine that's been affordable for decades and don't lose a bit of sleep. You bet your ass a hobby electronics company will jack up prices as far as they think they can.

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[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 65 points 10 months ago

Going public introduces shareholders that prioritizes return on investment as opposed to making technology and knowledge about technology accessible for many.

It doesn't always end this way but often enough to worry about it...

[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because the more commercial they get, the more they stray from their original purpose as a charity to provide low-cost machines for kids to learn about computer science.

First there was the Dynabook, then OLPC, then Raspberry Pi, and now we've basically got to start over yet again because enshittification is imminent.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

In Tech, an IPO means the business is market ready to be sold off in pieces, ie stocks. The people who buy the product don't care what it does, they use the product maker as a vehicle to more growth and profit. Typically that means the people who now own the business make poor choices about cost cutting, like off shoring support and removing unuseful documentation while removing people with critical tribal knowledge about processes. Each step the new owner takes will be to make the business more profitable, and in the world of business, the only thing they care about are the numbers and not the environment or people that created those numbers.

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[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 47 points 10 months ago (9 children)

N100 mini PCs are where it's at these days anyways. Unless you need the GPIO pins or are running some weird niche configuration, you're better off grabbing any N100, they're cheaper too.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I look for broken but working sff/tiny deals. Scored a sweet i5 7500 /16gb system for $100CAD. Just had a broken audio port I was never going to use.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 37 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The fool you will be revealed to be once I complete my Ethernet Over Audio implementation.

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[–] WormFood@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I picked up a radxa zero last year and have been quite enjoying it. the hardware is better than a pi zero but costs less. same with a lot of other SBCs

but raspberry pi has a lot of inertia behind it, a lot of software and hardware support. people will keep using them, just like they keep using Ubuntu, even though it's a soulless corporate husk of what it one was

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 45 points 10 months ago

Raspberry Pi has been over priced for a long time. I'm not saying they've been a net positive or negative, but if you think this will make them a bad company then I think they've been pretty bad for a bit.

[–] dvdnet62@feddit.nl 33 points 10 months ago (16 children)

So, what are the alternatives?

[–] astanix@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

There's tons of similar SBC's out there from Chinese manufacturers, like Orange Pi, Banana Pi, etc; usually using mediatek RISC-V or rockchip ARM processors. They're all poorly supported on the software and documentation side though and take more work to get going, which has always been where Raspberry shined- nobody else has made embedded computing so easily accessible with click and go OS options and continuous kernel maintenance.
Probably the only board closest to software parity is the pine64 boards... but it's still not quite as good.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This is the key point for alternatives. None seem to have the community and support (docs, s/w quality etc) that is remotely close to that of the Raspberry Pi.

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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Oh jees... welp it was great while it lasted.

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 24 points 9 months ago

Welp. Fuck Raspberry Pi. The entire stock market is one big scam.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Got my last Pi (RBP5) to try to set up a simple TV player under linux... unfortunately the performance was shit... had to go with Android and it's barely OK (bang for buck)

With the IPO I expect RBP are going to become more expensive and significantly enshitified... so that's that

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