according to leading bookmakers.
Oh for fuck's sake, can we please get one post-debate article that isn't highly partisan or just moronic?
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That would involve having a media environment that isn't controlled by billionaires who are highly involved in manufacturing consent for regressive policies.
I mean the betting markets are generally aligned with extravagant statistical prediction models.
After all these markets have hundreds of millions poured into them, and people are trying to win not loose. Obviously there are still problems with them, and that headline really should have included “according to bookmakers”.
Are you sure about that?
If I make a $10,000,000 bet in one direction to change the betting odds to make everyone think my viewpoint is more popular, that's a very cheap marketing campaign.
Even if I lose all that money, it's good marketing. Especially if I'm manipulating less popular topics with less $$$$ needed to change the odds.
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Troublingly, the electorate rather resembles the coverage: highly partisan or just moronic.
Why not both?
No. Reactionary horseshit is all you've got coming.
The frightening realisation to take away is that most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism in the way that progressives on Mastodon do. Which makes sense: if fascism was regarded with widespread revulsion, the Trumps and Orbans and Netanyahus of this world would be as successful as someone running a dogshit sandwich stall at the local market.
You are totally right.
Fascism appeals to humanity's most basic impulses and fascists will therefore always be a threat to democracy.
People crave the strong, authoritarian leader who will protect them from danger.
most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism
No the problem is instead of:
Fascists vs non-fascist
We get:
Fascists vs slightly less fascist
That's not good enough to win elections. It's not a binary choice between 0 and 1, it's 0.5 and 1.
Y'all know there is a third choice? protest vote.
Uhh, Trump was the protest vote for a lot of people, unfortunately (Defifuckinlutely not me). Also, soooo few people vote, particularly in non-presedential year elections.
I always strategically vote for the best candidate, and live in a state which allows me to do so without impacting chances of the (more) fascist candidate winning the general election.
That's not going to stop trump.
What will stop trump is running a good candidate.
But Biden and the people he appointed to run the DNC would rather trump win than Biden step aside for the good of the country
You are missing the point...
Neither side is a good choice. No matter who they run. Deny theme electoral legitimacy
Politics is not a zero sum game. You don't vote for the good choice. You vote for the less bad choice.
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Might as well just shit in your own hat for all the good that will do anyone.
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Says the guy whose head has been in the sand while we talk about what a bad choice Biden is for a couple years now.
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Or maybe it was Trump who lost the debate and his chances are worse afterwards? Who knows definitely not fucking Newsweek or CNN or Fox or anybody for that matter.
I do know that Trump is a fucking criminal and a human trash pos. So a lot of people won’t be voting for whatever that pile of shit is.
Everyone from Jon Stewart to Pod Save America recognize Biden had one of the worst debate performances in history. Focus groups of undecided voters who watched said Biden lost.
Let's stay in reality and face the facts. Let's not stoop to maga alt-reality.
Instead let's just fix the issue at hand, assuage the concerns of voters, and improve our odds of beating Trump. Because there is no good data to support a Biden victory.
It’s funny to see the blue maga folks try to frame this as a failure of progressives.
Or somehow try to say that Biden somehow had good talking points in between the times he was mumbling or completely losing his train of thought.
So a lot of people won’t be voting for whatever that pile of shit is.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Did you not watch? I saw every second and it was disastrous for Biden.
Republicans will vote Republican no matter what.
Dem voters have always needed a candidate they like and/or agree with to turnout en mass and get the Dem elected.
It makes zero sense to keep blaming Dem voters for having standards instead of blaming party leaders for continuingly shoving candidates we don't like down our throats.
There is zero reason to keep pushing unpopular candidates.
But because we all held our noses for Biden 4 years ago, he got to nominate DNC leadership and he picked idiots who say Biden is our only shot.
Holding our noses and voting for a candidate whose not for basic parts of the party platform, just moves the party platform and makes it even harder to get votes the next election.
I fucking hate republicans and will vote D no matter what (check my comment history). That was an abysmal performance on biden’s part. Appearances really fucking matter in this age of the mindless, post-facts voter. Biden needs to GTFO.
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He shit the bed but this is blatant bait. There hasn’t even been time to poll this, and those would be limited in value regardless.
Again, terrible performance. But this headline is nonsense.
Best case scenario at this point is one of them croaks before November. It's insane to me that Biden even contemplated a second term, when the whole point of picking Kamala Harris as his VP was so she could be the young fit successor. It's time to roll out plan B, guys.
Personally I don't want a career prosecutor as president, either.
Thank God. I'd much rather a strong libertarian than either of the candidates. But since that's not going to happen, I have to pick the less of two evils.
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