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[–] [email protected] 160 points 8 months ago (7 children)

If something requires an "app" and a connection to "the cloud" for basic functionality, don't buy it. This sort of abandonment by the manufacturer will always happen. Maybe it will last longer. Maybe it will be next week. But once the company has your money, the last thing they want to do is to spend any of that money providing you with support.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The funny thing about this is that the first time I had that moment of realization was when I got the Sphero BB-8 toy from my kids for Christmas. It had a dedicated app. The reason it’s funny is because, out of all the things that I own, it’s the only app-driven one that still works. Sphero just merged it into their main app. Once that app stops getting updated, this toy will cease to work despite everything about it being functional. ☹️

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

This is why i am for mandatory open sourcing of abandonware. So much stuff just laying wasted that could be hacked.

But allowing you to diy your own toys might make you consume less and thats bad or something.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As long as you can side load a functional apk to a supported Android device, it should work, no?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Android eventually locks out apps designed for older APIs. I remember reading about a bunch of abandoned apps being dropped from the Play Store for that reason. Not sure if that's just the Play Store though or if it is the Android OS itself. I haven't ever kept a phone beyond the manufacturer providing security updates since I actually use my phone for secure things.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You have to enable developer mode and install with --bypass-low-target-sdk-block now.

Dunno if they'll remove that eventually

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Don't say that so loud.

You'll have the self-proclaimed "power users" that just copy things they see posted without knowing what it does or possible issues and side effects, doing this and then complaining about issues stemming from it. And never disclosing they did it, blaming it on the system as a whole, ignoring the bypass they did.

Oh wait, this isn't the Windows community.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Only if it works as a peer to peer, if the device depends on connecting to a company's server (which all do since the whole point was to collect usage habits) then you're shit out of luck whenever they decide you're

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Would something like BlueStacks let the app run?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

That's funny, I have the exact same toy. It was a Father's day gift years ago. It's now an expensive display piece, as the battery no longer seems to hold a charge. And, as best I can tell, the battery is well sealed inside, making replacement impossible. Yet another thing I hate about our disposable culture.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I'm laughing my ass off thinking about all the steps required to get these working if you bought them new. downloading an app and pairing your shoes to wifi or some shit. ha

if the internet goes down can you still put on your shoes?! lmao!

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 months ago

hearing about shoes that need an app makes me want to stab myself in the testicle.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago

Open source the app?

No. Never. That would be literally impossible.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s not entirely surprising when a company chooses to stop paying for the upkeep and continued development of an app for a product it’s no longer making money on

How much fucking upkeep can an app require to operate a pair of shoes?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're questioning the sanity of people who even develop shoes that need an app

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not questioning sanity, I'm questioning why an app that does nothing but send commands over Bluetooth or whatever needs any maintenance whatsoever.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Inevitably what happens after 5 years is that someone reports that the app doesn’t work well with a newer version of iOS or Android, and the person that led the engineering on it is gone, because much of your engineering org has turned over after 5 years.

Then a new person jumps into the old project, finds out that it’s had 1 active user last year, then they question why they have to spend a week bug fixing something for one end user.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

As a developer, this is the answer. I can't wait for the day I can finally stop supporting old Amazon Kindle devices.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People who bought these are fucking idiots and they deserve much worse then their stupid fucking smart shoes turning into abandonware.

Maybe we wouldn’t have so much shit in landfills if those idiots didn’t gobble up any piece of trash someone wants to sell them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I could see handicapped people being interested in these. Fuck then I guess right.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure. We totally didn’t have footwear that did not require lacing. Thank god for the tech bro solution. What would the disadvantaged people do if it wasn’t for the free market!

Btw, you really think their app was accessible to handicapped people?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Why choose these over elastic fabric slip-on shoes?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Because these are the only shoes that could help handicapped people?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We are going to far with technology. If you need an app for your shoes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Good question, but not in these shoes me think.
I have been further though, and looked way more like, but that was with Adidas.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'd agree, but these are probably good for people with certain disabilities.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Those people could just as easily buy slip-ons, which serve the same purpose while not requiring an app (or any other form of electronics, for that matter).

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Someone should make stopkillingshoes.com.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Allowing these companies to ever sell anything with the "cloud" marketing was a colossal mistake. Not only it was a waste of people's money, but now also e-waste

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

In a world where I can slip my shoes on and off without untying them, why would I need shoes that can self-tie?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a job for Flipper Zero.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Probably overkill and possibly even overly complicated for an MCU.

This probably just requires some good old reverse engineering the original apps bluetooth API and an app to connect to the shoes.

If they're really lucky, it's simple unencrypted packets they can just capture via Wireshark, but I really haven't looked into it any further than this article summary, so I could be wrong.

If if they can work by simple packet replay, that would be the most simple, and definitely doable by the Flipper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Hahahaha, suckers!

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