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[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Class is your relationship to the means of production not how much money you make. The labor aristocracy is still working class despite having better material conditions.

This understanding of class was designed by the owning class to divide the workers into who is better than who so that they won't realize they have the same interests and organize against the bourgeoisie

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

100%, the owning class is the wealth/capital class. Everyone else is working class. If you need to work to continue to have basic needs met like housing, food, healthcare, education, etc you are working class.

Also disrubtion -> disruption in the first experiences box.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This needs to be in ratios VS cost of living values.

NY/LA VS Hayes Kansas, $100k is a very different thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I think you're right, ratios with high/low examples given maybe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Then NY owning class always say that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is misleading at best. If you subtract the largest 1000 earners in America the median income drops to $35,000.

That's all you need to know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

35k is the old number, i think median for all worker is like 40k.

If you narrow it down to full time etc, it is like 55k.

Your point is still valid tho, I think these % are based on pre covid info.

For example, 100k individual income would put you into top 15% right now. It would have been less pre covid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Guess I'm poor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love that fifth pillar „Owning Class.“ It’s often not mentioned in such overviews but reveals most of the power structures im out world.

Would be interesting to have an additional row of „Life Happiness“ Being super-rich doesn’t mean being super-happy in your life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah but being broke under the orphan crushing machine hardly leads to happiness.

I am sure ton of "upper class" is happier than some of venerated "owners"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

You'd think they'd have put the Working Poor on there