Hillary Clinton rn
this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2024
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Oh, to be a fly on that wall. I'm sure I'd love it.
I wish her a good run and become the first female president of the USA.
Gods I cannot wait for her to lose, she’s a POS through and through, Dems need a better candidate.
I think she's an awful choice tactically and have little hope for what her administration would do - but I'll still vote for her if her name is on the ticket.
But until that day there is no reason not to argue for someone better.
And in that we're in absolute agreement!
I disagree.
There are millions of voters who, for reasons I will never understand, are still undecided. At some point, fighting over your candidate doesn't inspire outsiders as to your party's vision for governance. You'll never sell a message of "We're the party that will defeat fascism!" if half your efforts are spent essentially rehashing the primary. Seriously, the Dems right now look like a low budget version of Spartacus.
Biden, whether through serious belief or the obstinance that comes from advanced age, is not going to step aside. Continuing to publicly fight that, rather than unite behind a single party-wide message, only makes the Dems look weak.
And no, I'm not saying Biden shouldn't step aside or that he is the best candidate. But party unity is the key to defeating the GOP and if Biden won't withdraw, we work with that.
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Her losing means Trump winning which would be about a million times worse
Gods I cannot wait for her to lose, she’s a POS through and through
I find that in general when people say shit like this, without elaborating, they generally don't have a solid idea why they think that. Is that the case for you or do you have actual reasons for saying this?
Not OP here and I'll vote for her in the election 100% but the concerns I've seen raised most often are:
She was a cop and her history reflects the history of being a cop. Being a prosecutor means that you're pressuring innocent people into jail time plea deals and using cops to back up your arguments all the time. She's the epitome of back the blue.
That makes her a great choice against the "Law and Order" fascist felon at least.
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why would you hope that? (not a US resident)
Ideologically, she’s a corporate shill that incarcerated thousands of people for minor posessions and then claimed to be against such policies while never offering any amnesty or apology. Politically I have major disagreeances with both parties platforms. Socially, I think Harris leads to some Republican bullshit scheme.
Also, to everyone that keeps trying to gaslight America. EVERYONE HATES HARRIS, SHE WILL DRIVE AWAY ON THE FENCE VOTERS AND YOUNGER APATHETIC VOTERS.
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She began on a progressive platform with a side of identity politics. She sold out her progressive platform during the campaign to position herself for, then secure the VP nomination.
But, we don't need specifics to be certain any given US federal politician is absolute trash. They're all elected on corporate money.
They’re all pieces of shit, you don’t come to lead a political party without being one. But we’ve still got to pick which is the least smelly piece of shit of the bunch.
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I think Biden has a better chance than her, and if he's voted in she's the back up anyways.
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NYTimes reporting the call wasn’t anything exciting.
Vice President Kamala Harris tried to buck up the Democratic Party’s biggest donors on Friday, telling about 300 of them that there was little to worry about in President Biden’s campaign.
Ms. Harris spoke to the group at a time of extraordinary turmoil among Democrats, with many hoping that she will replace Mr. Biden as the party’s nominee. But several listeners said they found the meeting overall to be of little value and even, at times, condescending, believing that the message ignored donors’ legitimate concerns about the Biden-led ticket.
Ms. Harris, of course, is in a delicate position: She must demonstrate loyalty to her boss but also be prepared to jump immediately to the top of the Democratic ticket if Mr. Biden were to withdraw.
But several listeners said they found the meeting overall to be of little value and even, at times, condescending...
Yeah no shit. Harris bombed out of the 2020 run before Iowa because that's just who she is. Got 0 rizz. Biden should have talked Abrams into being VP 4 years ago.
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It would be fucking hilarious if they pushed out Kamala for Hilary.
"We realized the reason voters want Biden to step down is because Harris is his running mate. So we replaced her with the only Democrat in existence less popular than Biden, and the only person in existence to have lost to the Toupee in an election: Hillary Clinton. It's her turn." - Dem leadership.
God that whole rhetoric pissed me off to no end, when they shoved Bernie aside because it was ‘her turn’. The level of arrogance needed to even think that, let alone push it as an argument on voters…
While I’m certainly not downplaying her actual political credits - she has experience in all levels of government - the presidency is not an ‘it’s my turn now’ position. That soured a lot of voters on her as a candidate.
‘It’s my turn’ is only an argument if you’re waiting in line at Disneyland.
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Technically, she got more votes (edit due to being unclear: than Trump, in 2016). And not by a little, nearly 3 million people more voted for her over orange anti-republic anti-democracy man. But the voting system is unrepresentative, so it didn’t matter.
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Why is everyone acting as if she’s an heir or something? All delegates to the convention have already been elected. If Biden steps down, they can vote for whoever, and Dem party rules state that the superdelegates can’t jump in until the 2nd vote if no one wins the first.
I heard somewhere that all the money raised for the Biden/Harris campaign would stay with Harris if she ran for president.
I don't know if that's true, or what would happen to the money if they both drop out but I heard someone say that.
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It's been kind of maddening, seeing the discourse about her electability go from zero to hero. US politics makes no sense outside of corporate and wealthy circles. She is way more electable than Biden.
There are, potentially valid, concerns that her being brown, a prosecutor, and a her makes her less electable than the ancient white man nobody likes. I think people for whom this is a problem were never going to vote dem anyway, but I can see what they perceive the problem is.
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They both need to step aside, it's better to have an unknown than a known candidate that people don't like.
Can you show an election where that strategy has worked this late in the game?
Yea, pretty much every election up here in Canada.
I'm amazed that Americans think four months "is like literally no time".
It'd take an ad spend but the DNC could name recognition pretty much anyone at this point.
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can you show an election where somebody in the polling position of biden has come back to win it?
non-us election cycles are shorter than the time that's left i don't think it's an impossible hurdle
I don't have to show evidence for a claim I did not make.
You, however, made this claim: it’s better to have an unknown than a known candidate that people don’t like.
Can you back it up with evidence or not?
i think it's weird that you think you're allowed to infer claims from my position but that i'm not allowed to infer claims from yours
I didn't infer anything. You made a direct claim that you aren't backing up. I quoted it. I have made no claims.
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We should update our currency "enabling the worst of us". We deserve what we get at this point.
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