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[–] [email protected] 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if it's PVE then yeah, it can works. Games like Fallout 76, ESO, Warframe, all can be played alone, while PVP multiplayer only games will suffer significantly if the playerbase drop below certain threshold.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Fo76 expansions are still coming every quarter, all free

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I keep trying to get into this game but there is sooo much base building at the beginning... I just wanna play the fun stuff!

Also co-op mission progress makes no sense when playing in a group (only one person gets the progress?)

Free content is always great news tho!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

You don't need to do much base building, just throw some crafting stations in a box and call it a day.

For co-op everyone progresses in that same quest unless it's instanced

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not only that, live service titles are absolutely tone deaf when it comes to respecting the effort of their players.

It doesn't stop Steve from being right with his statement, though, but his understanding of what a live service game's monetization model should be has shown to be two or three parallel universes ahead of what the "triple A" projects usually do.

Hell, paying real money can only skip you through the first dozens of hours of the tutorial. After that, paying effectively only allows you to get cosmetic options.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I remember when Warframe had Pay For Revives. Not sure if that was Steve.

But many things in Warframe are much more player friendly these days.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

There's an interesting interview by NoClip which shows the early development phases of Warframe. They were stumbling their way around many new mechanics that come with a live service game.

They don't mention the daily revive system, but it's clear that in the game's progressive transformation from "tactical shooter" to "horde shooter", that system had to go. I don't remember if there were many complains about the system back then, though.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Love the guy, but he also misses over that warframe has monetizion that beats the pants off of all of the others.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hey, at least it's not P2W... right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It arguably isn't anymore, although it looks like it is. Yes, you can buy prime frames and weapons, but can't buy the mods or arcanes directly from the game to outfit them. Even then, prime weapons on their own are not the best in the game by a long shot, and a prime warframe does not guarantee it being "meta".

The weapons that are the best are locked behind story quests, and even once you unlock one of those vendors, only one of them that you can buy with platinum is any good.

They were considering adding a destiny style story skip, but when they asked for feedback it was so negative they immediately relented.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

you can buy prime frames and weapons, but can't buy the mods or arcanes directly from the game to outfit them.

How is this not the opposite of a pay to win mechanic? Either you play the game to find the mod or find someone to buy the mod from.

An even cooler thing is operator progress, whereby no amount of paying can take you through.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It helps that it's not really pvp focused or competetively co-op.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Warframe has always been Barbie for mech weeboos. 🤌🏽

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (4 children)

No, it's animal crossing for metal gear rising fans. No, seriously. The core gameplay loop is farming for items to fill out your mastery index so that you can increase your mastery rank. Animal Crossing is basically slowly collecting items to fill out your Nook catalog. They're basically the same. Warframe even has fishing!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

My space dolls are very pretty, i'm not even gonna try to argue against it

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Live service gaming is having a bad time? Damn that's crazy.

goes back to ROM hacked Armored Core 3

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The end state of all live service games is to be thrown away.

[–] Drewelite 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thing is, that's how a lot of people treat games. They play them for a few days when they come out to extract the novelty of the new experience. They get annoyed that it isn't as novel or new as when they were kids and experiencing it for the first time. Then they buy a new game. Rinse and repeat.

Games as a service just take advantage of that by promising that experience but in one convenient package: We'll change the game every now and then to keep you interested instead of satisfied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

If a game is done well, it'll stick with you. I've replayed Psychonauts so many times over the years, and I just finished another playthrough tonight.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a bit frustrating to hear from him considering this is exactly what he did with Wayfinders when he became CEO.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Wow, just looked into it cuz I hadn't heard about that. And yeah, it looks like that's exactly what he did a month after becoming CEO. In fact it looks like they closed the entire publishing side of the company and possibly laid those employees off. Super disappointed to hear that from the studio behind such a beloved game

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Anthem was dead well before two years. They just straight up stopped updating it after like, 1 content patch.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Space Daddy knows best

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

I used to hold the Warframe world record for fastest "100% achievements" at just over 1,600 hours (mind you, I wasn't rushing).

I stopped playing shortly after Deimos released (late 2020). Is it worth revisiting?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I came back to the game half a year ago and I've been enjoying every update since. Seems like you enjoyed the game before, so I'd say it's definitely worth a try.

We have some really cool stuff coming up this year, too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Well.. coming up 25 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's a good thing if it brings the company down. Less garbage released.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Company proceeds to be purchased by microsoft

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

The whole concept should just die already.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Completely serious here: not only is Warframe the best free game I've probably ever played, but it's one of the best games I've ever played. It's honestly incredible how much love and hard work have gone into that game and I've never had to spend a penny to have hours and hours of enjoyment and if I hopped on today there would be TONS of content for me I've never even experienced yet. Warframe fucks, big time.

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