He's an AIPAC stooge. Fuck him.
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It would be hilarious if Democrats lost the election because some ignorant 20-somethings care more about Gaza than America.
It would be tragic if Democrats lost the election because some corrupt boomers care more about continuing to enable genocide than America. Particularly after we finally had some goddamned hope.
You're confused. Both sides are complicit, neither wants a resolution. Let them fight.
"Both sides" hate each other because the conflict is over a century old by now. Both sides use terrorism against each other too. That does not mean that both sides are in the right. Is the bully who is stealing the lunch money as morally justified to fight the bullied victim, as the bullied victim who is merely trying to stop the bully from stealing their lunch money?
Do you also look at other atrocities throughout history and blame the victim for hating and fighting against their oppressor?
Both sides are complicit
That doesn't mean we have to be.
because ~~some ignorant 20-somethings~~ people of all ages with principles care ~~more~~ about human rights in Gaza ~~than America.~~
Fixed it for you.
And even if they didn't care about Gaza, do Americans really want a foreign country to have so much influence on their elections and politicians?
Americans who care about America should want to get rid of AIPAC.
Most of these posts and comments are foreign influence campaigns meddling in US elections, so do Americans really want foreign posters influencing their elections? Nope. Move along.
Obligatory reminder that Trump will be substantially worse for Gaza so it's still wrong
I completely agree that not voting or voting for Trump would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
What I'm saying isn't that people SHOULD do either. I'm saying that it's a bad idea to give people who would do such a thing a knife, figuratively speaking.
I find it interesting how the agency and duty is always with the voters to swallow a turd, rather that with the politicians to offer non-turds.
Maybe more voters than you think actually want the turd. Most Americans can't find Gaza on a map let alone give a shit about it.
But of those who do, faced with a choice between Israelis or Palestinians controlling that region, they're probably going to choose Israel every time. Neither side wants to coexist. And when you lose a war, you don't typically get much agency.
Entirely possible, but the argument strikes me... oddly Republican. As in it's on a surface level short-sighted, in that it's pandering to the base and calling it "will of the people", regardless of long term repercussions, and deep-level ideological, in that it anchors this "will of the people" on a presupposed silent majority, that just so happens to always agree with the party heads.
If the Democrats were supporting a Genocide by the KKK in Detroid would that prevent you from voting for them?
You're not even making sense.
They're trying to argue that we give less weight to tragedies that happen elsewhere as opposed to in your own backyard.
BUT federal government has less international power than they do in their own country (obviously) so it's an argument in bad faith. This is assuming that "Detroid" is meant to be Detroit and not a fictional planet great value Metroid.
I'm just wondering where the line is. I really thought everyone claiming to have morals would draw it at Genocide but apparently I'm the minority.
Put your own mask on first...
I want Mark Kelly
Not a terrible pick, but Tim Walz makes so much sense.
Can you give me your reasons why you like them?
Sure, speaking in terms of why he could bring more votes:
- He was a teacher for 20 years and has a Midwestern small town vibe that could appeal to a lot of voters
- He has so much charisma and isn't afraid to call out far right leadership, but he does it in a way that does not alienate that voter base. He has even taken his message to fox news.
- He started the whole "weird" thing that is now being used effectively to nullify Trump and Vance's empty rhetoric.
- His record as gov in Minnesota speaks for itself
- He's very popular among labor unions
You really need to listen to him speak to understand his potential impact. Here's a 10 min video containing a few of the interviews I've seen (after the short intro): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-nR3dRCAM
Thank you for the great comment. Point 2 in particular I think is really important.
I want the senate
I am the senate!
Hes the smart pick, but money overpowers smarts
Captain Spaceman wants the astronaut. What a surprise.
Look... it's not what our country can do for you, it's the really cool space stuff that you can do for the country.
Please please please, now is not the moment for an additional new minority to make the ticket. It's already gonna be hard for many people to vote for a woman, and an Indian. We need the most vanilla white christian male to be Kamala's running mate.
We need the most vanilla white christian male to be Kamala's running mate.
That's what Hillary did with Tim Caine and we all know how THAT turned out..
Hillary picked Tim Kaine as a "Fuck you" to progressives.
Hopefully Harris is smarter than that.
EDIT: Shouldn't have followed your lead. It's spelled with a K.
You think Hillary's VP's demographics had anything to do with her losing? No, that's not correct.
It was one of the many mistakes of hers that put her within cheating distance of the most unqualified and personally heinous candidate in American presidential history, yes.
Sure didn't help.
I can remember most President/VP tickets, but didn't even recognize Kaine at all... I must have completely tuned out after she screwed Bernie.
That or you don't remember him because he's the human equivalent of white bread with unsalted butter.
She didn't screw Bernie, she crushed him, as much as I hate to admit it. Believing that Bernie got screwed, rather than beat, is the equivalent of believing trump got screwed, rather than beat.
They were times when he was within 5%, and his campaign also outraised her. My issue is not with the voting, but the numerous instances where the DNC put its thumb on the scale, and utterly disregarded progressives.
Harris got crushed during the presidential primary, but with the right framing we see how much potential she really has.
We will never know how much potential Bernie had, and that would be okay if we all felt like he got a fair shot and lost. Thats how you disenfranchise people. But some of that energy is back, and hopefully the DNC doesn't make the same mistakes.
Don't let Trump's delusions about the election make you forget the clear facts that a "fuck billionaires" tax-the-wealthy candidate is going to be going head to head with real and actual institutionalized obstruction from big money donors.
They were times when he was within 5%, and his campaign also outraised her.
If we're talking about right at the beginning when he won NH, sure. But she went on to clean up in the next few primaries and it was a run away from there. It was closer than expected, but it was never much of a race.
The irony being that the DNC rules actually favored sanders, and he got the most positive coverage in the media. The DNC bad mouthing him was wrong, and giving her debate questions was also wrong and 'putting their thumb on the he scale.' But the idea that he got screwed is not the reality. These were minor at best, and he got absolutely destroyed.
I'll vote for Kamala Harris regardless of who she picks for Vice.
Do any of the candidates for VP not have this issue?
Let's go Andy Beshear!