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[–] [email protected] 240 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Headline suggests that the Democrats - who are currently more united than they've been since probably Kennedy - aren't united.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (10 children)

If you think that's baffling, take a look at Nate Silver's column:

https://www.natesilver.net/p/tim-walz-is-a-minnesota-nice-choice

I'm not sure if Nate is talking about the same Walz and Shapiro as the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Shapiro has Israel baggage that I am so glad I don't have to hear about online for the next forever. Kelly had a messy divorce that I'm sure nobody wants to have dredged up. Walz seems relatable to a great number of people.

Plus, he drives a 1979 IH Scout.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Shapiro's Israel issue would have been a toss-up issue. Some independents wanted him to be very pro-Israel, others no so much. Probably wouldn't have made a huge difference.

On the other hand, might have made a difference in Michigan among the large muslim minority who may not have come out to vote.

I really just hope Walz is not going to be another Kaine.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, Silver is equating a Walz pick to a TIM KAINE pick.

I’m sorry, I can’t read any further with sooo much cope.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it doesn't get much better. Silver's great when it's just about numbers, but less so when it's slightly more intangible. This column might be the peak example.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hes Theil funded at this point. Dont expect a neutral voice anymore.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

You should read through the comments on that post.

Almost NONE of Silvers subscribers are having it.

This just a way off base miss of Silvers.

Believe the numbers, doubt the pundit.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I think that's a pretty simplistic take considering we just swapped our candidate less than 6 months before the election. I agree with the article's take that Walz has potential to unify the differing democratic coalitions, and don't see any evidence of your claim.

Walz’s elevation earns the left a big victory. Yet because Walz himself isn’t of the left, the pick seems intended to serve a unifying purpose: a candidate who appeals to all different stripes of Democrats for different reasons. The fact that Democrats across the political spectrum seem thrilled by the pick — with effusive support coming from people ranging from Sen. Joe Manchin (WV) to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY) — seems to validate the theory.

It’s important to be clear: The VP selection matters way less for elections than people think. It’s much more important to select a potential president than an optimal running mate.

But you can see why Harris sees picking Walz as smart politics. It allows her to simultaneously hand the left a win without necessarily tacking left — potentially keeping her coalition united even as she works to win over the general election’s decisive centrists.

I think its important to recognize the value this VP pick can bring, and I've not known vox to try to suggest something like that without reason.

Edit: I'm also going to add that your reply is a disingenuous attempt to falsely turn this into a binary unified or not unified condition, not that the article is making such a claim. I entirely reject your statement.

[–] stonerboner 35 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Just wondering how the heck Walz can be considered “not of the left.” Looking at his accomplishments with universal background checks, free school lunch etc it seems he’s accomplished more left leaning goals than 99% of his colleagues

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Hasn't starved enough of his own citizens for the tankies unfortunately

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

The author is making a distinction between progressive and leftist, and this interpretation may vary from reader to reader, considering in many ways the two views share many similarities. I personally have no issue with the classification, calling his accomplishments progressive or leftist makes little difference to me, but it could be viewed differently by others who may have drawn a line between the two labels. Manchin and AOC rallying behind Walz does appear to lend credence to the idea that he could be a unifying force.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Dude got nominated like an hour ago. How are they putting out articles like this?

Like the average person ain't even got home from work on the east coast.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People had a week to draft one for each VP candidate being vetted.

Like Carter’s obituary - write it now so you can publish it early.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

They are preloaded and ready to go. They probably have other articles in the can for the other names that were being considered as well.

It might also surprise you to know that major news networks pre-tape celebrity obituaries just in case that person dies.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Walz has been known to be on the shortlist for at least a week, probably longer. They probably had articles like this in the pipeline for all the likely candidates.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

The best one I found is this opening from cnn:

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz hadn’t been in the top tier of potential running mates for Kamala Harris until the past few weeks.

No shit!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/politics/math-behind-harris-walz-vp-pick/index.html

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The campaign worked with news outlets and let them write the articles, under what's often called an embargo. Basically, in exchange for holding the story until it's announced, the journalists can write the story ahead of time.

Source: dated a girl who worked in PR and a girl who was in media relations for a large company

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago

I legit forgot what it feels like to have HOPE

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Yep.

Harris has an edge to her, she’s quick-smart (imo this is good for presidential material) and that may be off putting to some (because women aren’t supposed to be like that , right?), however, Walz is straight up good guy and he can balance out the ticket as far as presentation.

My only concern about Walz is that he presents so strongly as a good guy/dad figure that, should Harris be elected, the typical behavior is to put the VP up for election upon the incumbent’s term(s) expiring. Does he have the presence to be the potential presidential candidate in the future?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why is that even a concern? Frankly, they should be pushing for legislation that disqualifies senior citizens anyway and he'll be almost 70 when his turn comes around. Just retire, guys. You've earned it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Well now that depends: Would being in the VP chair help mould him into someone who can rise to the challenge?

Who knows!

For now let's not worry about that. Seriously. Trump bad. Beat first. Big unga bunga, big stick, big smack. Don't let go of that question, just file it away for a bit.

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He was the best choice. They can win and we can finally force trump to account.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tim Walz for America's Dad

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Gooood morning USA, I got a feeling like it's gonna be a wonderful day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Those who wanted Shapiro or another VP pick are just crybabies who are mad they arent getting everything they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Honest question, who outside of PA wanted Shapiro? I've heard even PA people say it wasn't a good choice. Not sure if I'm just out of the loop though.

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