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[–] [email protected] 352 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)
  • the answer is 1

  • it’s Firefox

  • Vivaldi is supporting for less than a year (June 2025 it stop) and edge is unclear but may support it simultaneously (at least for now). Brave has “partial support” which means it may as well not and they’ve left a “lot of wiggle room” to drop support in their statement.

If you want to keep using ublock origin, get Firefox. You should just get Firefox because it’s the best browser for privacy/not using chromium in general and it works well.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago

Hardly surprising considering that Brave, Vivaldi and Edge are all based on Chromium. The Brave and Vivaldi team won't have the resources to maintain Manifest v2 support for each new Chromium version, and Microsoft doesn't have any reason to support v2 with Edge outside of goodwill.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They are just giving some time for the waters to calm a bit, and then say that it is taking too much effort.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Yup. And perhaps even hoping they can pick up a few users from Chrome when it drops support.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (10 children)

i don't know why people are so allergic to firefox but it is the answer.

its the only halfway decent answer. install firefox and switch to it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago

Classic letting perfect get in the way of good. Firefox is excellent as is. Hate Mozilla? Get one of the quality forks. Which exist because we have firefox.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Vivaldi just has better features than Firefox. I'll switch to Firefox when Vivaldi is forced to switch to V3 but until then I'm gonna continue to enjoy Vivaldi

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago

I came back to Firefox this spring after probably 12 years, or how long is Chrome around and I must say everything works with it, it is snappy, doesn't bog down my memory and has great extensions even on Android. I don't look back to Chrome. It was great in the beginning and got more convoluted as the time progressed. With switching to Firefox i feel like when switched to Chrome back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The answer is more than one, because Firefox has several forks of its own, and as far as I know all of them (even Pale Moon, which is highly divergent and never supported Manifest V2) support uBlock.

I agree that all Chromium-based browsers are going to drop support sooner or later.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That’s fair. Firefox and its forks will reliably still support ublock origin.

I was going off the list with Firefox listed as #1, but I see that reads now as “just 1.”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Vivaldi does a lot of adblocking natively, and they are maintaining V2 as long as they can, which based on info from Google is summer 2025 but might change.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yes but that doesn’t change the fact that in 10mo uBlock origin won’t work on Vivaldi. The perils of chromium builds. I don’t blame Vivaldi, I’m just stating a fact. They won’t support Mv2 and uBlock origin will not work.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Brave has “partial support” which means it may as well not

They don't need v2 because their ad-blocking has always been built into the browser itself.

Personally don't really care about the browser because the ad-blocking is built into my router and VPN and the apps I use and so many other things.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (21 children)

Brave is based on Chromium, so where Chrome goes, Brave is likely to follow.

Routers and VPNs are only able to filter URLs. They have no way of manipulating the browser session, which is the other half of uBlock's functionality and why it will always be superior to PiHoles or ad-blocking DNS.

Google, for example, smuggles ads through their "good" domains on YouTube that deliver video content; at that point, it's an endless game of whack-a-mole in the dark to have a list that filters the correct URL without obliterating the ability to watch videos.

URL filtering is better than nothing, but it's not really a comparable solution.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So Lynx is not going to support uBlock?? Outrageous

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I wish someone could explain to me how it is firefox, which is not chromium based but larely dependent on google for funding, has the ability and manpower to maintain not just the manifest v2+all the other stuff, while every single chromium fork has no choice but to use v3. Why can't they just fork the last usable version of chromium and go from there as an independent fork? Is it just that no one wants to?

Like firefox has lots of ports, some of the follow the main branch but then others like waterfox forked off older versions at some point and just kept going, why can't chrome based browsers do a fork like that? How is it there are people making new browsers from scratch like ladybird, but this manifest stuff is just out of reach for everyone, except mozilla (and i guess other firefox forks).

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not having control of the core codebase, and branching/tracking based on 1 (declared) legacy feature could lead to huge amounts of work and issue in the future.
Manifest V2 spec is defined, manifest V3 spec is defined... They can be developed against.
JS-whatever-spec is defined, CSS-whatever-spec is defined, HTML-whatever-spec is defined... They have industry standard approved specs (even if they can be vague in areas). They can be developed against.
They have defined spec documents that can be developed against.

Firefox has control and experience of how they implement those specs.
Chrome forks do not have control of how those specs are implemented.
So if chrome changes how things are implemented, forks might not be able to "backport" for manifest V2 compatibility, and might find themselves implementing more and more of the core browser functionality. Browsers are NOT easy to develop for the modern fuckery of the web.
Firefox hopefully does have that knowledge and ability to include V2 manifest backwards compatibility in future development without impacting further spec implementations.... It seems like Google is depreciating V2 to combat ad-blockers (ads being their major funding revenue)

There are already very slight differences how Firefox and Chrome interpret all these specs. I've noticed a few sites & plugins that just work better (or just work) in Chrome. Which is why I still have (unfortunately) an install of Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You could also just stop using sites that don't work in Firefox. Also https://webcompat.com/

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

A port of a browser is relatively minimal effort. Typically, the changes are largely cosmetic, and occasionally skin deep.

There's a reason none of the ports of Chrome caught the recent snafu with Google having its own special addon that fucks your privacy.

Developing a browser, Firefox or Chrome, takes a huge amount of effort, and are on a similar scale to both Windows and Linux. It's a lot. There are a lot of places to hide things. Taking all of that, and making V2 continue to work... well it'll be alright to start with. It's probably a flag somewhere currently. But in 2 years time? 5 years time? It will take a lot to keep V2 working, let alone back porting V3 features that people may actually want.

Just use Firefox instead.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Why can’t they just fork the last usable version of chromium and go from there as an independent fork? Is it just that no one wants to?

Creating or even just maintaining a web browser is an insurmountable amount of work. With constantly changing and new specs coming out all the time, it's an unwinnable amount of work. Not to mention, browsers and the Internet in general is so complex it's like web browsers are an operating system themselves.

A web browser is likely the most complex software on your PC outside of the operating system itself.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Open up the “Registry Editor” Program

Navigate to: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Google\Chrome

With the Chrome folder on the left highlighted, select Edit/New/DWORD (32-Bit Value)

or, if you prefer, on the right side of the screen in a BLANK SPOT, you can RIGHT CLICK New/DWORD (32-Bit Value).

Name it ExtensionManifestV2Availability and hit enter.

Right click what you just created (ExtensionManifestV2Availability) and click Modify. Set the Hexadecimal value to 2, and click OK.

You’re done, but check your work by opening Chrome, and pasting chrome://policy in the URL Address bar and hit enter. You >

should see the ExtensionManifestV2Availability policy, and the value should be set to 2. If you don’t see it, click “Reload Policies” > and/or review your work.

https://www.neowin.net/news/official-windows-registry-hack-extends-ublock-origin-support-on-google-chrome-edge/

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

Easier solution: download Firefox. Install unlock origin

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Or just get Firefox

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, Thorium developer stated he intends to support Mv2 past the 2025 deadline. Whether he'll make it, we'll see. It's a one man show, there was some drama involving it in the past, and there's the question of what's the point in maintaining Mv2 extensions support if you won't be able to install them from the store after they're cut off?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To clarify for anyone curious about the drama, while it was blown out of proportion, it was absolutly vaild.

  1. there was a light nsfw furry easter egg, removed once found. Considering the browser was originally a side project by a young guy (teen/early 20?) it's not really surprising or a big deal. Once the browser gained a sudden boost in users and it was found, the image was removed (once the guy got back from vacation? hospital?, there was a month or two gap)

  2. this one was a larger problem for sure, and again removed. If I reacll right, he was apparently hosting a website for a friend about supporting the end of a certain procedure done to baby males at birth. There were some graphic images, its not technically CP anymore than the infomus Nirvana cover, but still...not okay.

To make matters worse, the link the site was somewhere browsers home or about page, making it pretty easy for anyone to find.


It's all old news now. Personally I didn't really care, but some people might.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

You don't need extensions when you have capable inbuilt adblockers. Stop fear mongering.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Unless by built in, you mean the ublock that comes with librewolf, thats fucking stupid. Adblocking is an armsrace that requires constant up to date collaboration on the adblock developer side. Thats why you need crossplatform plugins like ublock, otherwise you will end up seeing ads.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Vivaldi browser also has a built-in ad blocker on all platforms, but the PC/Mac/Linux version also allows you to use uBlock Origin as well (at least until mid-2025).

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Every thread that mentions Firefox draws hate from you. It's tiring and your points are never good.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I've done tests with the built-in Firefox strict mode vs uBlock and there's a bit of a difference. Firefox blocks about two thirds, uBlock is almost 100%.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Firefox doesn't have a proper adblocker. It's just a tracker blocker.

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