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I notice a large number of ragebait-y political communities being spun up by new users with thousands of posts & ai profile header photos. I notice comment sections are more acrimonious, and foreign disinfo talking points are circulating a lot more prolifically than before the US election started ramping up.

Anyone else notice this? Any idea on how to combat it on this platform? Are there any communities built around creating block lists of obvious troll/ai/disinfo accounts & communities?

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[–] [email protected] 153 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The most powerful country in the world is a large disinformation piñata. You whack it with a few memes and poor decisions come out.

You can’t fault hostile intelligence for giving it a go, and there are a lot of hostile intelligence services.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can’t fault hostile intelligence

Yeah, I can! 😂

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We manipulate other countries similarly, so you can fault them but there's an element of hypocrisy in doing so.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's only hypocritical if you approve of it's use that way, which I do not. It would be naive or even stupid to expect those countries not to retaliate, but I don't like it when anyone interferes in a diplomatic process.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

Ideally, we’d all stop…

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the US has been doing this to other countries for decades. The internet just made it more accessible and easier for the rest of the world to participate en masse.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

other countries

Somehow I really doubt we exclude ourselves

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk

One week old account. 684 Comments. 383 Posts. That's 152 posts/comments a day, 9 an hour, and most are over a paragraph long. Almost all of them focus controversially on third-party advocacy in the middle of an election year.

Not saying this account is a bot, but a person would certainly have to be spending a whole lot of time on lemmy to be posting this much in one week so it certainly feels spamish.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

haha I just saw an absolutely terrible post by that very real individual

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

I see that this account has a few topics it posts on. Now, that alone doesn't mean anything. Lots of lemmy users have their 3, 4 topics they are interested in and nothing more. Maybe they are an enthusiastic green party voter.

But that amount of posts in such a short timespan smells like a bot account.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

That shitbag also got all my content pulled from /politics where I called him out as a shill, then the mods banned me despite me providing proof of his forum sliding tactics.

Face it, lemmy's already been taken over by the bots and shills, they've infiltrated the mod teams and are now protecting their own. We all saw it happen with reddit and the admins just let it happen here to.

Getting so tired of assholes infiltrating online spaces.

The account isn't a bot, they are a media management account that uses AI content but is ultimately just a person using tools to undermine free discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I subscribe to communities and only read what I'm interested in. So I didn't notice anything. But I know lots of people use Lemmy differently and read the "All" feed. That might be an entirely different perspective.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Keep in mind that American elections are coming up and Americans think the internet is only about them. So we're not only being dragged into this by disinformation campaigns.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Americans think the internet is only about them

Do we though?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

You might not. Many Americans might not. But the internet is annoyingly US-centric and can be frustrating to use as a non-American. A random example: Numerous times I've gone to sign up/purchase something and put "Canada" as the country and the "State" and "Zip code" boxes never changed. I have been denied purchases and registration several times because the website was coded to only accept US zip codes even if I change the country.

So many sites just assume everyone is American, speaking American English, and interested in American things.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Yeah unfortunately it's not primarily astroturfing... these people do it for free

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, it's been proven America has no impact on the rest of the world at all.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tl;dr election year in the US. It's only going to get more intense until the actual election.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Haven't seen that. But I have seen some users who spend every moment of their lives posting to sway opinion on an issue of their choosing. And if I accurately assess them as Russian paid trolls, I get all my comments removed and I get banned. So that's awesome and fair. Their content stays up, protected by mods. What an awesome feeling.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Israel -Garza trolls/posters too

Edit Little bit ironic funny. In a thread about trolls the trolls come out

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we're all subject to the mind virus that is US general elections.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I hate the phrase mind virus.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s been bad for a bit with the tankies here taking every opportunity to make some variant of “genocide Joe” comments but refusing to discuss any of the choices we had and the result of those choices.

They got super-quiet when Biden dropped out. Vanished.

Now we’re getting what appears to be a new wave.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

It always takes them a bit of time to pivot talking points. I imagine that whenever a pivot is needed, there's a bunch of drunk higher up russians having meetings to come up with new ideas, then all those ideas get thrown out there to test them, they measure clicks and responses to figure out what works and once they find something that sticks well enough, the frontline trolls will receive the new talking points and playbooks.

We've all see some vile attacks against Walz and especially Harris recently. But unfortunately for Trump and his foreign supporters, drunk macho fascists coming up with ideas to attack the character of a non Caucasian woman, does not produce ideas that resonate well with the democratic left. So they were unable to find something new that had enough zing and they went back to their golden classics of pushing a 3rd party and the "both sides" argument, for now anyhow.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Rather than block lists, just subscribe to the lemmy communities that interest you and don't subscribe to political/news communities. Then view lemmy through the "subscribed" feed rather than the "all" feed - no political posts - problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

I trawl through All to find new communities though, and a short blocklist makes that much easier.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There seems to be a few people suddenly calling Biden racist too, and trying to say both parties are the same. If it quacks like a lobbyist, it is possibly a lobbyist..

But yeah. This is overall probably due to the election more than anything.

People like me (I'm Aussie) will even up vote some things simply because I can't imagine how bad it would be for Trump to win again.. For the entire world.

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[–] Zos_Kia 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Just blocked politics & news and my quality of life instantly jumped 200%. I highly recommend it. If something significant happens, you'll read about it in another community.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

First time?

Don't worry, day after the election they mysteriously vanish as if they were never real at all.

Would be crazy if it were all just disinformation campaigns throwing shit at each other for 12 months.

Luckily no one's stupid enough to fall for all that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

What is not flooded with political spam these times? And I am afraid we have not seen nothing yet.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Even worse for us that live outside the US. Nothing but US politics every time we scroll. Well, that and Linux stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (10 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

It's been nothing but politics and memes (often about politics) since the first day I joined. I can only imagine how bad it is without my content filters considering how bad it is even with them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Absolutely, I had to immediately block the politics sublemmy. I noticed this change instantly as I always browse all. Suddenly my front-page was 95% politics posts. As if someone had flipped a lever.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It is election year in the US, a very polarizing election with two high profile wars, any social media will be weaponized

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes. There's also been a spike of political commentors that seem normal until you engage with them, then they fire back with emotionally-charged nonsense full of contradictions.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not really, but I am from Europe so I don't subscribe to communities connected to US news or politics. Can you give some examples?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Communities like https://lemmy.world/c/independentmormonism, https://lemmy.world/c/independentcatholicism, https://lemmy.world/c/thirdpartynews, all created today, and modded by a 9 day old user account with 640 comments and 334 posts.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

Lemmy is another form of social media, and bullshit that happens on social media will come here as more people come here. Your life will be much better if you make full use of blocklists and filtering.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

Don't know if you know, but just a heads up for anyone unfamiliar, the proper formatting for linking communities is:

[email protected]

This helps users from other instances browse those communities without leaving their instance and prevents mobile apps from opening the browser. It also supports autofill when typing after the exclamation mark so you can't go wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I haven't really noticed much, but that's because I've taken to blocking political communities once they start bothering me by putting too many article links in the front page or being generally rageful.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I can also confirm that political discourse is becoming less civil / productive. Or at least that's what the increasing amount of such reports I'm getting, is telling me.

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