What is "feminist propaganda" and what would COVID-19 have anything to do with the game? What would either of those have to do with the game? Isn't it based on the legend of the monkey king? Are they afraid they'll make a meme of him spreading COVID to kill his enemies or something?
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In the conspiracy theories groups China is a hot topic, and I believe this is them telling influencers (who they give a free copy) to stick to the game instead of talking about the country they happen to live in. And I would assume if people stuck to the game few of these topics would be relevant.
Now if an influencer had an issue with say, allegations misogyny at the studio, I would expect them to -
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not accept the game from the studio
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maybe create content on why they refused the offer of a free game and things they think would need to change to allow them to work with the studio in the future.
It's a Chinese game developer. These are the things they're sensitive to. COVID started in China and I guess feminist is a big fucking red flag for women in China?
Hehe, red flag, China...
It’s a Chinese game developer. These are the things they’re sensitive to. COVID started in China and I guess feminist is a big fucking red flag for women in China?
The Black Myth: Wukong sexism controversy stems from employee reports that developers at Game Science have been making sexist comments for many years, and there’s a suggestion the company doesn’t want women playing its games.
https://dotesports.com/black-myth-wukong/news/black-myth-wukong-developer-controversy-explained
I wonder if any of this has been corroborated. I feel more conflicted about this kind of stuff recently because for every one asshole saying awful shit there are hundreds of other people that poured years of their life into making a game like this.
The dev has a storied past^[1] of sexism and misogyny, so this shouldn't come as a surprise. The COVID stuff is amusing but unsurprising considering it's a Chinese studio.
Reading through that made me feel gross. It does seem to be acknowledged by women in China as a cultural issue (as well as globally online).
Sexism is, and continues to be, a global problem. But the difference, as both Zhong and Monica F. pointed out, is that the Chinese government and overall cultural attitudes continue to actively discourage women and their allies from fighting back. There’s no one telling harassers “no.”
This feels like the second round of this going around as the AI articles / lazy sites pick it up.
It's a doc 'sent' to one guy who had 12 followers on medium before this started blowing up. It was edited after it was sent out to be the real marketing email of the company instead of a gmail address. The doc is still owned by that gmail account, which isn't typically how companies operate.
I guess they're getting their viral moment so good for them for generating content?
Funny how quickly free speech drops dead whenever right-wing snowflakes get involved.
I didn't realize they even had freedom of speech in China.
Right wing Chinese communists you mean? Good one...
What's funny is anyone thinking Chinese government has anything to do with communism.
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Hahahaha, wow, what a bunch of wet noodles. If you don't want negative discourse, maybe don't be misogynistic. Or don't publish your work in countries where free speech and personal freedoms are more abundant. No one is forcing you to publish here, so please keep your demands in your pants. Pffft, I was really interested in this game, now it's such an easy pass!
The game is insane. You are just missing out.
Thanks a lot, I can imagine! It's moot for me, sadly. Google maps is amazing too but I'm not on board with choices they are making so, can't use that either. There's enough games to take my mind of of missing this title. Have fun though!
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Out of curiosity, since I’m out of the loop, what is the misogynistic discourse around the game or studio? Is it based on themes of the books/mythology the game is based on? Or is it some other thing the devs went too far with eastern culture wise?
I read some articles from 2020 that touched on the culture @ Game Science, but it doesn't even really matter. It's just the way they single out stuff that feels really put of touch, pretty (ignorant) boomer attitude. I've only heard the word "feminist propaganda" from folks who are misogynistic, it's not something I associate with caring about inequality. Can you imagine being a woman influencer that got this message? I would think 3 times before partnering up with a party that gave me this dos and don't list.
It's probably something that can be attributed to cultural differences, but that doesn't mean that much to me. You move in a culture, but you are still responsible for you actions and words.
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The guidelines are also likely in place to avoid mention of previous reports of misogyny at the studio. Posts from Game Science CEO Féng Jì including sexualised and misogynistic language were reported on in 2020, while IGN also reported on the studio's history with sexism.
Lol, a Streisand effect here.
I was wondering what "feminist propaganda" was and apparently it's talking about misogyny.
Another forbidden topic seemed to be targeted at criticism of misogyny at Game Science. The company has come under fire for lewd and sexist comments attributed in media reports to its founders as well as recruiting materials from 2015 replete with sexual innuendos. Those original job postings and comments were deleted, and the company has not commented. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/world/asia/chinese-videogame-wukong-censorship.html
But this anti feminism attitude is not limited to this 1 gaming company, but government policy under Xi Jinping's authoritarian rule: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/feminism-in-china-internet-crackdown-erase-womens-voices/100165360
Thanks for sharing this. I wasn't going to buy this game,but now I'm convinced I won't. Will wait for empress to turn denuvo intro their bitch.
Well now I wish I was an influencer so that I could get paid for giving China the middle finger.
For anyone not clicking thru:
In full, the don'ts are:
- Do NOT insult other influencers or players.
- Do NOT use any offensive language/humour.
- Do NOT include politics, violence, nudity, feminist propaganda, fetishisation, and other content that instigates negative discourse.
- Do NOT use trigger words such as 'quarantine' or 'isolation' or 'Covid-19'.
- Do NOT discuss content related to China's game industry policies, opinions, news, etc.
I see this as them wanting influencers to focus on their game, instead of using the game as a platform to wade into these other topics that focus on the country they happen to live in. And this being an election year in the US ,and the Right having spread wild conspiracy theories about China for years now, them not wanting any of that stuff to overshadow their art doesn't seem all that crazy of a take. Basically they are saying they want influencers to talk about the game and to leave politics to /c/politics.
Oh and this is of course only sent to influencers, so just people they are giving the game to for free. The rest of the world (including influencers that buy their own copy) are of course free to do whatever they are legally allowed to in their jurisdiction.
Edit - I just want to add an edit after reading the IGN article someone linked above, that I am not siding with or defending any of the gross things coming from people working at this studio. And I guess this would come down to if people can separate the art from the artist, which I personally struggle with in many instances.
The use of “feminist propaganda” over “misogyny” seems very deliberate.
Yes, because it seems the studio doesn't have any problem with misogyny
Oh for sure. I do wonder what part the Chinese government takes in shaping the wording of "exports" like this too.
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excuse me wtf
I was excited to play this game until I saw this. Now I kinda don't want to play it.
Pirate the fuck out of this game, got it
IGN's hitpiece was very iffy in the first place, with mistranslated "tweets" from one of the devs weibo and all, but by doing these guidelines they gave ammunition to these people, I'm glad the game is doing well at least so hopefully china keeps making good, AAA games that aren't also gacha for once.
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I'm not sure how that's supposed to be relevant to the game and reviews of it anyway?
The studio and the CEO have a history of misoginy and sexism, so they're trying to block reviewers to speak about it
Well that explains something, but honestly it has nothing to do with the actual game itself. Would be kinda weird if reviewers focused on that instead of the game.
Yes, who cares if Putin releases a game as long as it's good?
Did he release this game?
Considering the downvotes I take that as a no, and ya'll ran out of other dumb arguments. 🙄
Yes, you are right. Everyone had to draw the line themselves. And if you only stop buying a game if it is from Putin, that is indeed your decision. But it obviously also means, that you do made your decision not only on the game itself. So I am not sure what your argument is here.
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It's a difficult issue. If Putin did release a game, did we know beforehand? How widespread was the knowledge? How did this info come to light?
I guess it's similar to reports about crunch culture in many game studios. Do we want to support that and buy the game?
Or sexual harassment by C-level, same question.
Many people might not care, but some do and it's still information to consider.
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Fucking pathetic
Are analogies using A.A. Milne characters OK for describing the game?
Oh bother...
Somewhat off topic, but the names of both the publisher and the developer are also used by unrelated tabletop game companies. Hero Games makes the Hero System tabletop RPG, and GameScience (no space, so there's a difference) make dice. It threw me for a loop.
So a video of the game overlaid by a feminist manifesto?
So we've moved on from no minorities to whatever we can find?
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