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Too many people see compromise as a weakness and it's destroying democracy which is built on this very principle that all different kinds of people have to come together and make laws to create a common denominator.
But for some reason political parties today catch flak left and right if they compromise on some of their positions in order to achieve at least a bit of progress instead of being unyielding on it but not changing anything since noone else would agree on it.
Imho that's one of the reasons why populist parties today gain so much ground: the very act of compromise is seen as weak by many and they capitalize on that to attack the other parties
No compromise with fascists. That's how we got here.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about democratic parties working together on issues in a functioning democracy with more than two parties. And if those parties have different ideas of how to reach a goal and compromise on it to get to the same goal - then that often results in them losing voters to parties pointing out how they broke their promise of doing it a certain way and how they should have insisted on their solution
Martin wouldn't have won without Malcolm. And he wouldn't have won if he spent all his time yelling at Malcom to calm down instead of fighting for civil rights.
You can say you want slow incremental change because you think we have plenty of time. (Most will disagree with you tho, cuz you're wrong)
But if you spend your time fighting against progress rather than making sure at least some progress is made...
We're going to spend more time backsliding than slowly walking up hill.
Go up the hill too fast and you just get there a little early, backslide too much and you can fall all the way to the bottom, break your leg, and never be able to climb back up.
I read this post as being about Malcolm. He kept the pressure going his entire life. He always kept organizing and kept the pressure going. Really I think what this is encouraging people to do is to look more towards Malcolm X than to Marcus Garvey. Look for the true anarchists, not for the people who want to redo capitalism but this time their group is on top, because that shits how you get Israel genociding Palestine
Look for the true anarchists, not for the people who want to redo capitalism but this time their group is on top,
I couldn't really follow your comment even before you implied anarchy so the only other alternative to capitalism...
Or how that relates to an ongoing genocide...
Like, I just can't follow anything you just said. I understand all the words, but there's nothing tying them together
If we're being charitable, we can assume they're talking about they're talking about liberals doing bandaid fixes to keep the orphan-crushing machine running and fascists who are angry the machine isn't benefiting them as much.
Revolutions are long-term work. They are not nor ever have been overnight affairs throughout history.
Now there's an adage attributed to everyone's favoritr 20th century revolutionary actor: "There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen."
These are to be taken into account together. Don't mistake those weeks as separate or independent from the decades.
If you're defining long-term as 4-8 years, sure. If your idea of long-term is defined in decades, are you aware the planet is on fire?
This is kind of a garbage take. Revolution is just one puzzle piece in the large set of tools necessary to effect real change. Revolution can also happen in many different ways from silent to political to violent. And all of those can very much happen overnight if all the pieces are in the right place.
Do you have any examples of successful overnight revolutions?
I think (I hope) by overnight revolution, they mean the tipping point from civil unrest into actual change. It took a decade of protesting for Civil Rights to get popular support, but the law was drafted, written, and signed in less than a week due to the destruction wrought across the country after MLK was assassinated.
Right? If China and Russia are anything to go by, I want none of that revolution. They still have garbage governance even today. I'm convinced a revolution would get us from shit to absolute vile hot diarrhea.
I think I prefer trying to change the diet instead, just to stick to the metaphor.
If China and Russia are anything to go by, I want none of that revolution
Before the revolution, China had regular famines. Today they have none and have experienced one of the highest increases in living quality in human history.
The same phenomenon applied to the USSR (before Yeltsin's coup undid all that and caused the largest drop in life expectancy outside of a war).
This has got to be bait
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041395/life-expectancy-russia-all-time/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041350/life-expectancy-china-all-time/
Most of the pictures of soviet bread lines and poverty that form the popular image were from the 90s, when the former USSR embraced capitalism and was eviscerated by it. The subjects are too broad for me to recommend just one book, but this one does a good job of explaining the west's economic policy towards Russia and ideology behind it during the 90s that caused that dip.
China famously had some pretty massive famines after the revolution as well. China's real ascendency happened after Mao had been gone for a while and reformers were able to change his worst policies. China still struggles to this day to elevate its massive rural population, with more than half not receiving a high school education.
But more to the point, all industrial nations saw the exact same (and more) living improvements, so it's hard to really attribute it to political violence.
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you can say whatever you want but china and russia had unprecedented growth because of their respective revolutions.
Russia added some territory in the last few years, but that was at the hand of authoritarian imperialism and NOT due to a revolution.
Stop apologizing for crimes of fascists.
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Sounds like something we're supposed to hear in order to not rise up. I know I've been waiting a while and it sucks to see the young generation going through the same hoops.
I'll just keep waiting till someone actually needs help building a gallows or something
You missed the bit where it says "work". Waiting is not work.
They've tried nothing and they're all out of ideas!
It's actually the opposite - the idea that you need a revolution to enact change is meant to keep you demoralized and pacified because you won't get off your couch unless you see people marching in the streets.
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Most modern revolution mindset is both childish and often used as a way to shield and justify the real underlying cynicism and lack of willingness to put in work.
Also, guillotines.
🎶 It's time for guillotines. 🎶
There's a Bill Wurtz if I've ever seen one
It's from whitest kids u know.
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Sure, but it would be more convenient if other people organized a revolution that leads to me being able to hunt in the morning, shitpost communist memes in the afternoon, and smoke weed and masturbate in the evening.
From what I've seen, big upswells in revolutionary activity tend to correspond with sharp plunges in national prosperity. The COVID epidemic and subsequent mass layoffs put hundreds of thousands of people into the streets on a regular basis. Before that, the Great Recession kicked off a flood people on the streets of major metro areas. Then the mini-recession of 2014, combined with a ratcheting of police violence, sent another wave of protesters out.
But these conditions eventually reversed themselves, unemployment rates fell back to pre-recession levels, and the risk of police violence started to look like it outweighed street protests and organizing efforts for large swaths of the population.
The suggestion that people are just lazy and won't do any organizing seems contrary to reality. People organize quickly and easily when they've got nothing better to do. Its when they're drawn back into the job market, when they start seeing their economic situation recover, and when they feel like they have a bit more to lose that revolutionary action devolves into the kind of shitposting you can do from an office desk or during a long commute on a cell phone.
Incidentally, this isn't something political leadership is unaware of, either. Low unemployment is a policy goal of the state precisely because it corresponds with lower crime rates, less public protest, and fewer insurgent political campaigns to unseat the incumbents.
Revolutions happen if there are enough hungry angry people with time.
this is nuanced. in the UK after ww2 our army's returned without housing, without long term health care which we did fight for and Britain had an NHS and housing within 5 years but we had to struggle to get it. now in current, we've slowly been selling our NHS, council housing isn't built at the necessary speeds. our towns and cities as well as education are on the brink of bankruptcy. capitalists are far better at small incremental changes then we are.
where incremental action does work is strike action, anti war movements as they empower the working class to fight but we wont get the world we want without a revolution. speaking of cause a classless society.
I'm not sure about how this makes me feel.
It is a highly appealing statement to the carefully, but barely, suppressed centrist in me.
I suspect a placebo.
*affected
small win
Do believe you're incorrect. Here's a quick source to read. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference
Hey, still a small win though because either you change your understanding of effect as a verb or I do!
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