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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I am so sick and tired about hearing about trans issues. Outrageously disproportionate to the real issues we need to focus on.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 80 points 6 months ago (16 children)

It wouldn't be a conversation if the alt right media would stop acting as if transgender people are causing all their problems.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

It's best to just ignore the alt-right media.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
  1. learn to walk and chew gum
  2. it's not supposed to be proportional to the "real" issues, it's proportional to the political violence used against them.
  3. trans issues are real issues, because trans rights are human rights. and they're under attack.

why do you think they always pick minorities to attack? first they come for a tiny minority, so apathetic dickwads don't speak up because they're not part of that minority. wonder where i heard that before.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

I agree with you both. I wish we would stop hearing about them because trans rights were no longer under attack.

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[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

i mean, it's the right that's currently trying to make laws banning trans care. the left just wants them to be left alone. as soon as the right stops trying to ban them the left will stop having anything to complain about

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

I found the guy in the meme

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm sorry but who do you think is next? We've seen this movie before. At the end of the day only loyal, God fearing, white, land owning people, in good community standing will be safe.

That's why we're fighting for the rights of less than 1 percent of the population. Because until we live in a country where everyone's rights are secure, no one's rights are secure.

And if you don't believe me go check out Christian Nationalism. It's not exactly subtle and it is driving the modern Republican party.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Civil rights for black people alienate the working class

—same satirical headline in the 50s

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago

You mean -probably real headline from the 50s

[–] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 months ago (13 children)

I am working class. I have packed thousands of cases of avocados, boxed thousands of clothes in a factory, and only recently moved to teaching. Trans issues 100% do alienate everyone I work with. They are brought up by many different people to prove that white people are weak and perverted. This is coming from Sri Lankan garment workers, Vietnamese seamstresses and Mexican avocado packers.

[–] stormesp@lemm.ee 55 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They are brought up by many different people to prove that white people are weak and perverted

L-o-L. You mean they are brought up by transphobic people to prove they are transphobic? Who in their fucking right mind use trans people as an excuse for working class issues?

[–] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All I said was the truth, do whatever toy want with it. I Didn't excuse anything.

[–] stormesp@lemm.ee 30 points 6 months ago (10 children)

The only thing you are saying is that as there are transphobic people we should be ashamed of helping trans people because transphobic people can use that as a weapon against the working class problems. Im sorry but its the most stupid argument i have seen in a while. I am also working class, i have worked in a fast food restaurant, in a supermarket putting up the avocados you pack up and even picking up dog shit in the streets of my town, and i can tell you no one among 150+ people i worked with was worried about trans people in their working class problems.

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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (6 children)

"white people are weak and perverted"

White people have enslaved races of people and nearly eradicated others and now half of them are trying to be accepting of others and you won't have it?

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[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sad but unsurprising to see a bona fide member of the working class downvoted for pointing out that some of the popular rhetoric is pointlessly divisive and does nothing to help the working class.

Many of todays activists seem to be doing anything but actually helping the various communities they are oh so eager to bully people on behalf of.

[–] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

The folks I work with would never associate with the chronically online hexbear types you see here, the ones constantly blaming "crackers" for transphobia.

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[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 14 points 6 months ago

Are they really ok with a candidate who's going to try to deport them (at best) or kill them (at worst) for not being white enough, just because they can't get over their transphobia? If so, then we really are lost

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Which is conservative propaganda. That's not intrinsic to the working class, it's intrinsic to watching fox news and listening to Russian state media call our military soft.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In less than ten years, I saw three of my cousins transition. This seemed to correspond neatly with trans-rights being mainstreamed as a social issue. Almost as though there are a lot of trans-people, many of whom were simply in the closet until the moment it became socially acceptable to be themselves.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Huh. I've met this guy on lemmy.

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[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Bold of you to call terminally online MLs democrats.

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I suspect the American left focused on LGBTQ+ issues because it was a "safe" mission.

Increasing official tolerance there was no threat to their donors or the wealthy in general. Nobody had to pay more in taxes or submit to meaningful government regulstion to enforce "don't explicitly fire/assault/refuse to marry someone for being gay/trans". Arguably those policies could have ecen come out of broader expectations for "stay out of people's personal lives" rather than making special cutouts and declaring a marginal group.

Looks impressive, accomplishes very little. Pretty much sums up the Democratic party for the last 50 years.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know what "very little" means to you, but I have friends that are married with children, unlikely to face violence motivated by bigotry (location dependant, YMMV), and have legal protections from discrimination in housing and employment.

When I was a kid they could get fired or evicted with no recource, and if they had the temerity to poke their head out of the closet someone could kick their ass with impunity unless they were seriously injured or killed, and sometimes even then.

But sure, "very little," let's go with that.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 42 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Looks impressive, accomplishes very little.

I guess the real satire is in the comments. Do we blame the dems for having actual plans to help more than the ruling class, or do we blame the gopniks for locking down house and/or senate to block anything positive for us poors for 49.7 of the last 50 years?

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Trans rights are human rights, working class are human.

Yes I ate the onion but I know well meaning 'progressives' like this and they infuriate me

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I mean I understand the point. The left does a great job of creating noise about issues that affect low numbers of people that end up galvanizing more opposition than it generates in votes. If the thing you advocate for ends up getting more votes against it rather than for it due to your advocacy, you just hurt your own cause.

Long term strategy is key.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Trans rights are human rights.

Advocating for human rights shouldn't require a mathematical calculation of how many humans are affected.

[–] UNY0N@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It shouldn't, but it does. We do not live in a perfect world.

When doctors at the emergency room have to make decisions about who to treat first, they follow guidelines like this one. Those help save lives, by making sure that those patients who need the most urgent care get it first.

In the same way, elevating LGBT issues above more pressing needs of the general population doesn't help anyone, not even LGBT people.

How does gender-affirming care help someone who is homeless and jobless with no healthcare? Is proper pronoun awareness really more important than environmental protection, or combating political corruption?

Just to be clear, I 100% agree that trans rights are human rights. It is an important issue, and deserves attention. But what about black lives matter? Isn't that important anymore? Are we still on that bandwagon, or did it get old? (I realize I'm getting snarky here, my apologies)

Addressing the unnecessary suffering of minority groups of all kinds is important. But putting them above issues that are critical to the survival of our society as a whole hurts everyone, even the people that these policies are designed to help.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 6 months ago

Jews are a very small part of the population. If Republicans were passing laws specifically to persecute Jews, would you be making the same excuses for ignoring it? None of us are free until all of us are.

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