Ford has been too busy selling $80,000 trucks to worry about cars and EVs.
this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2024
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I've never understood why so many people in the US buy pickups. City dwellers? Why? People in most trades? Panel van > pickup. Farmers or ranchers? Makes sense.
My employer just swapped me from a pickup with a covered rollout bed to a van. I absolutely love it! Slightly less comfortable ride, but carries more parts and it's all more accessible, especially if it's raining or snowing. So this is why many companies have been using vans for so long...
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To absolute morons who make sure it comes with a bed cover they never take off.
Oh my that damage control speech from Ford the article was forced to include does not work in the direction they hope it does.
There is actual fear to be perceived as Incompetent in there.
The reporters did very little to sugarcoat that they got told to edit it. Basically a copyPaste of fords demands of what needed to be talked about
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An assessment of the global electric vehicle market and Ford merited one lukewarm, brief sentence. At the time, Farley was the Executive Vice President and President of Global Markets. If that sounds like a job that would require paying close attention to China’s reality and increasing competitiveness, it is. If that sounds like a job that should understand disruptive innovation’s death knell for firms like Ford, it is. If that sounds like a job that should have been creating strategy to deal with the reality of China’s emerging electric vehicle juggernaut, it is.
Auto industry mismanagement is redundant.
They're the world's factory, of course they'll build better and cheaper.
It was crazy visiting China last year. The EVs that everyday people are driving feel so polished and futuristic in many ways.
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- The arrogance of seeing only established manufacturers.
- The self-centeredness of assuming US and European are the only markets that matter, and product mix in US is more profitable.
- The instant gratification of not thinking beyond quarterly financials.
- The lack of knowledge of his own business and how to fit engineering timelines into marketing timelines
Lol, the corrections... "We didn't sleep, we sold 5 cars!"
They are still sleeping. The petrol corruption runs so deep, it will the downfall of the western industry.
He was not alone in his sleep. Volkswagen and Mercedes have been sleeping about as deep and long.
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China makes everything better & cheaper, not just cars.
The secret is heavy subsidy, very little worker protections/safety, very little environmental protection, and slave labour from a demographic they're currently genociding.
Don't forget the hundreds of billions that global capitalism funneled into China by "outsourcing" absolutely everything they possibly could over the last 30-40 years — devaluing developed world labour markets and environmental regulations, and winding back the clock to an unregulated slave labour market is what made it so attractive.
That was my first thought, but is that much different for say Tesla. They get tax breaks and pay as low as they can. Don’t get me wrong I not protecting China’s way, I’m rather against both. But it would be interesting to see numbers from both sides
Yes it's very different. Tesla certainly overworks their employees by basically expecting them to do overtime, and engages in anti-union shadiness, but that pales in comparison to utilising slave labour from a religious minority group they subjugate and have even been known to sterilise, as well as harm family members of those who aren't behaving as the CCP wants them to.
Tesla still has to abide by US environmental regulations, which while not as strict as you'd find in Europe, are a hell of a lot stricter than China.
Tesla still has to follow construction and safety laws that, again while not super strict like in much of Europe, is a hell of a lot stricter than China.
The US also doesn't subsidise exported Teslas in a move to exterminate foreign car companies before ramping up prices.
Did you just seriously try to compare China factories to Tesla? This place really is just an absurd bubble.
For reference in Mexico they are making 5k a year vs 50k. I'm sure it's rainbows and kittens over at byd.
It's lemmy.ml. They're always like this.
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That's not how you spell "Xinjang camps" ...
America has more prisoners than China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
I don't see what this has to do with the fact that China utilises slave labour from a religious minority group they are currently genociding to aid in their construction and manufacturing sector.
To my knowledge, you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime, as opposed to a labour camp where you are sterilised then made to build Fords under threat of death.
America also uses slave prison labour
And America has more incarcerated people than China, despite China having way more people.
Ok, putting aside for a moment China's totally honest and not at all fudged number of incarcerated people...
The US allowing prison labour is something I'm disgusted by.
But it's still a far cry from abducting people based on their religion, sometimes sterilising them so they can't have kids, threatening them with their life, threatening their family, and forcing them to work in factories or in construction, then using that slave labour to undercut and kill foreign competition.
Don't try to twist this into a "you're complaining about China therefore you think the US is great". I'm saying China is far worse. Because they are, and only a complete muppet would think otherwise.
Maybe you're ok with what China does (slavery and genocide), but I am not.
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you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime
Gotta keep'em prisons profitable...
Thank you for the reference link.
China has one hell of a note on that page:
b. See info about additional detainees, and alleged detainees, at Re-education through labor, Laogai, and Xinjiang internment camps.
There's no way in Hell a country with a population in the billions has lower incarnation numbers than one with a few hundred million. That is just statistically impossible. It all comes down to what you count as incarnated. This is like the US "solving" its unemployment crisis by not counting people who think about maybe looking for work sometime as not unemployed. These numbers are self reported, so they should be taken with a big grain of salt.
Because China executes at a rate 100x the US, that we know of, believed to be 1000x.
No person, no prisoner. --Stalin
Also, Tibet and Xinjiang.
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You mean cheaper and worse, there are little to no regulations and if there are any, inspectors are paid off as China is corrupt AF. and the cheaper part is because the general factory workers are kept extremity poor to uphold the cheap labor, next to the Uyghurs in concentration camps who are forced to work for free. There are no rights or regulations for factory workers, so no protective clothing or gear, no safe work environment, while working with extremity toxic materials as those are cheaper then the safer alternatives. Working 12 to 16 hours per day, as young as 8 years old, 6 to 7 days a week, no sick days, no holidays. There is no quality control. There is media control, so every online post of a spontaneously combusted EV, which are maaaaany, is removed.
So you confuse quality with quantity. Yeah, it's cheaper. But at what cost. Not just the lives of the Chinese workers, those toxins are also in the products we use.
Not necessarily. China makes all the fancy stuff Americans are super proud of.
If safety were a real issue, the gov wouldn't have attempted to ban them based on tariffs
Ps: your entire first paragraph could have been about American meat processors and I wouldn't have noticed
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I think you got something mixed up there. The saying does not go:
If you want it to last, buy made in China!
It goes:
Buying cheap is buying twice
And China really sells the cheapest crap there is. It isn't even a competition.
Until the brand goes poof because China didn't like something they did and poof; now you have a ghost car. Good luck finding repair parts for your car; and fixing the server connection required features
You are correct, but that has happened with American brands (even cars) before
At half the price of other EVs, I bet an entire new class of service stores, half mechanic shop, half third party parts, half mods, would spring into existence if these cars are allowed in the market
Instead, we protect the horrible local brands
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Wish we still had Chris Farley around instead of his dumbass brother…seriously this is Chris Farley’s brother.